Just my $0.02 on what is good enough for the OL. Rather than get all granular as to what position in the draft is required, I am more interested in the level of performance of the OL as a unit. I want the franchise to be a consistent SB contender (meaning get into the playoffs > 75% of the time and into the divisional championship game around 50% of time time).
IMO that requires a top 10 OL. I don't care if they are all UDFAs. Obviously, that would be extremely unlikely. But I am not fixated on the specific rounds that an individual player is take, just their level of performance.
And by performance, I mean ranked on overall statistics (and not a PFF ranking). I'd be more comfortable with PFF if they were transparent on how the calculate their scoring. Until they do that, I will maintain it is done with a combination of voodoo and pixie dust.
Until they bring a rubber chicken into the mix, they will not have success
Yes, Peters was better than the guy who's name nobody remembers and Jenkins who could not play left nor right tackle. Good thing they were able to sign the 40 year old off his boat and he didn't play like a 40 year old. Lastly, nobody here is suggesting to just throw our hands up and say "F it, this is good enough". Literally nobody.
On a side note, I was so surprised with how well Peters played that season. I was expecting an Orlando Pace type disaster, but he was fun to watch work. Not great at that age, but it was incredible how well he could still play (considering the guy was high mileage to the max). I remember him looking like a powerful dude too that year.
The guy is a freak among freaks! To be able to play at a decent level at that age is so rare its silly. That move working out was seriously like hitting the lottery...the odds were unbelievably stacked against us.
The dude was a tight end in college at almost 300 pounds!! LMAO!! Just an absolute freak of nature.
Yes, Peters was better than the guy who's name nobody remembers and Jenkins who could not play left nor right tackle. Good thing they were able to sign the 40 year old off his boat and he didn't play like a 40 year old. Lastly, nobody here is suggesting to just throw our hands up and say "F it, this is good enough". Literally nobody.
Literally EVERYONE saying Jones is good enough is. You would have thought after the Peters thing, the coaches and gm the owners would have realized what a LT is, and how important it is. Apparently not, hey lets find another Leno or Webb, that'll do.
Are there people here saying that? I think Jones COULD be very good...he's still young, and if we're using the Jason Peters example, Peters started out as a practice squad guy and was used as a blocking tight end his first year or two in the league. He wasn't a star right away or even very good right away. Brax could still turn into a very good tackle. Will he be Jason Peters in his prime...odds are no, because thats really very rare.
NOW, if you're telling me that we're replacing Brax with Tristan Wirfs...I'll pack Brax's bags for him.
Literally EVERYONE saying Jones is good enough is. You would have thought after the Peters thing, the coaches and gm the owners would have realized what a LT is, and how important it is. Apparently not, hey lets find another Leno or Webb, that'll do.
Are there people here saying that? I think Jones COULD be very good...he's still young, and if we're using the Jason Peters example, Peters started out as a practice squad guy and was used as a blocking tight end his first year or two in the league. He wasn't a star right away or even very good right away. Brax could still turn into a very good tackle. Will he be Jason Peters in his prime...odds are no, because thats really very rare.
NOW, if you're telling me that we're replacing Brax with Tristan Wirfs...I'll pack Brax's bags for him.
Are there people here saying that? I think Jones COULD be very good...he's still young, and if we're using the Jason Peters example, Peters started out as a practice squad guy and was used as a blocking tight end his first year or two in the league. He wasn't a star right away or even very good right away. Brax could still turn into a very good tackle. Will he be Jason Peters in his prime...odds are no, because thats really very rare.
NOW, if you're telling me that we're replacing Brax with Tristan Wirfs...I'll pack Brax's bags for him.
yes, on this board, and many on social media.
You are the only one here who says Brax sucks and must be replaced by a rookie first pick in the draft. I think the rest of us want to wait to the end of the season and evaluate the whole line. Bears will be drafting in the second half of the draft, the top LT (or 2) will be gone by then, and what’s left won’t be better than Brax, especially in 2025. Meanwhile, you could probably have a center or guard who would be a clear upgrade to Shelton/Davis.
You are the only one here who says Brax sucks and must be replaced by a rookie first pick in the draft. I think the rest of us want to wait to the end of the season and evaluate the whole line. Bears will be drafting in the second half of the draft, the top LT (or 2) will be gone by then, and what’s left won’t be better than Brax, especially in 2025. Meanwhile, you could probably have a center or guard who would be a clear upgrade to Shelton/Davis.
never said he sucks. I said he's average, and average isn't good enough at LT. don't put words in my mouth.
You are the only one here who says Brax sucks and must be replaced by a rookie first pick in the draft. I think the rest of us want to wait to the end of the season and evaluate the whole line. Bears will be drafting in the second half of the draft, the top LT (or 2) will be gone by then, and what’s left won’t be better than Brax, especially in 2025. Meanwhile, you could probably have a center or guard who would be a clear upgrade to Shelton/Davis.
never said he sucks. I said he's average, and average isn't good enough at LT. don't put words in my mouth.
Was “ass” one of your words? So far this year, he has allowed 1 sack and 5 penalties. Wright has allowed 4 sacks and 4 penalties. Is he also “average”? Neither is Pro Bowl (yet) but well above average by any reasonable standard.
So you think you’re getting better than Brax if drafting 20-25 in first round? Check the first round Jones boys last year (Brodrick and Dawand). Brax is better than either of them. Average PFF is 60. Brax is 71.4. They are 48-50 (which is “sucks” range). I’ve seen them both and the number fits. That could easily be what you’re drafting.
never said he sucks. I said he's average, and average isn't good enough at LT. don't put words in my mouth.
Was “ass” one of your words? So far this year, he has allowed 1 sack and 5 penalties. Wright has allowed 4 sacks and 4 penalties. Is he also “average”? Neither is Pro Bowl (yet) but well above average by any reasonable standard.
So you think you’re getting better than Brax if drafting 20-25 in first round? Check the first round Jones boys last year (Brodrick and Dawand). Brax is better than either of them. Average PFF is 60. Brax is 71.4. They are 48-50 (which is “sucks” range). I’ve seen them both and the number fits. That could easily be what you’re drafting.
I have consistently said average and that isn't good enough for LT; not just this year but last year also.
he's had games where he played like ass, if you don't agree, well feel free, but you're wrong. I've said the entire OL is ass and all could be replaced w/how they've played this year. Davis already has, and when Jenkins is out it's rarely noticeable so 2 are already proving the point.
Was “ass” one of your words? So far this year, he has allowed 1 sack and 5 penalties. Wright has allowed 4 sacks and 4 penalties. Is he also “average”? Neither is Pro Bowl (yet) but well above average by any reasonable standard.
So you think you’re getting better than Brax if drafting 20-25 in first round? Check the first round Jones boys last year (Brodrick and Dawand). Brax is better than either of them. Average PFF is 60. Brax is 71.4. They are 48-50 (which is “sucks” range). I’ve seen them both and the number fits. That could easily be what you’re drafting.
I have consistently said average and that isn't good enough for LT; not just this year but last year also.
he's had games where he played like ass, if you don't agree, well feel free, but you're wrong. I've said the entire OL is ass and all could be replaced w/how they've played this year. Davis already has, and when Jenkins is out it's rarely noticeable so 2 are already proving the point.
I just checked “Sacks Allowed” by team. Bears rank #30 which is pretty damn “ass.” 3.3 per game. But Brax contributed only 1 of those sacks, so it’s hard to argue he’s the worst problem on this line, which raises the question of what to DO about it in draft. I discussed that in my last post, which you seem to have neglected.
I have consistently said average and that isn't good enough for LT; not just this year but last year also.
he's had games where he played like ass, if you don't agree, well feel free, but you're wrong. I've said the entire OL is ass and all could be replaced w/how they've played this year. Davis already has, and when Jenkins is out it's rarely noticeable so 2 are already proving the point.
I just checked “Sacks Allowed” by team. Bears rank #30 which is pretty damn “ass.” 3.3 per game. But Brax contributed only 1 of those sacks, so it’s hard to argue he’s the worst problem on this line, which raises the question of what to DO about it in draft. I discussed that in my last post, which you seem to have neglected.
The real problem with Jones, is that he gets bull rushed straight back into the pocket a lot. It doesn't directly cause a sack, but it collapses the pocket and makes chaos. That doesn't show up on the stat line though.
It's one reason why Jones is not a second contract player. I do not see the justification in giving him $20M when at a minimum we can draft a replacement level player or maybe even upgrade.