Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 10:04:19 GMT -6 Whisky Beer Bob likes this

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This coming game against the Tennessee Titans is going to be a huge test of our OL. The Titans DL is really good this year. Scary for that matter. Our OL did not do well against our DL in summer camp. They got beat like a drum WAY too many times. They are going to have to step it up in Sundays game. I'd hate to see Caleb taken out on a cart for IR in this first game of the season.

That would put us out on the ledge even earlier than usual

I think folks exaggerate too much how a mid OL will "get a QB killed". That isn't how anything works. QBs behind good OL get injured, and I've never seen ANY correlation between OL grades and injured QBs. QBs with average OL (which is most of them including the Bears) can avoid getting injured with quick release, understanding of where their hot reads are, and mobility (or good pocket presence/awareness & timing).

Caleb will be fine against even the best DL. He'll take a few lumps and all QBs do. And in most cases if he does get dinged it will only be for a game or two & he'll be right back. In that case, I think the Bears have one of the best backup QBs in the entire league. I'm not so sure Bagent isn't as good as Derek Carr at this point, or even Purdy. He's he's certainly better than Dimes, Brissett or Bryce Young and a few others. It's a team game and Caleb isn't the only reason the Bears will win or lose.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 11:26:53 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Sept 7, 2024 11:26:53 GMT -6

Aug 31, 2024 15:45:47 GMT -6 davidl said:

Aug 31, 2024 9:15:22 GMT -6 JABF said:

I agree with that. He does seem to be a better fit at RB. There is a lot more to learn as an RB than WR, including learning how to block at a whole new level and the blocking schemes for the holes he needs to hit (they're running him between the tackles more now). He did have a good preseason. Granted, it is preseason, but he did what was asked of him. Here is where he ranked among NFL RB's:

- He was 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards.
- 2nd in touchdowns.
- 4th in yards per carry (he averaged 6.3 yards per carry)
- He averaged over 3 yards after contact (On some of those runs he had people hanging all over him and he kept getting that extra yardage... he runs with power as well as speed)
- He had 3 big yardage plays in 25 carries. Defenses have to worry about him hitting the BIG play.
- He caught every pass thrown to him in preseason.
- He is no longer just a "jet sweep" guy and is running between the tackles some now, and that makes him more valuable (no longer a one-trick pony when he's out there).

We can qualify all that with it being preseason ball, and we should. But for a guy new to the position, he did well. If we have injuries at RB, we could do worse than VJ as a replacement. And he's a great change-of-pace RB due to the fact we really don't have anyone quite like him on the roster now.

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He will make a play now and then, but he will also bumble and fumble.

But he may be fine as a RB. I'm not talking as a RB1 but as a guy who can be an effective change of pace RB (not a gimmick guy but a legit change of pace RB).

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 11:34:50 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Sept 7, 2024 11:34:50 GMT -6

Sept 7, 2024 10:04:19 GMT -6 illinoiseric said:

I think folks exaggerate too much how a mid OL will "get a QB killed". That isn't how anything works.

Tell that to Andrew Luck and a number of other QB1's who were abused and had shortened or diminished careers after being roadkill far too often. I'll spare you the more gruesome videos of some of those QB1's over the years. An OL matters. Matters a lot. One one of the reasons the Lions are back is due to that OL they've put out there in front of Goff. At least that's my belief.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 12:30:19 GMT -6

Post by The Marshall Plan on Sept 7, 2024 12:30:19 GMT -6

Does anybody else find it odd, given that Poles was OL himself, that he hasn’t made any big moves on either side of the line other than the Sweat trade?

Maybe it’s a sign of maturity on Poles’ part that he’s trying to build a team and not just focus on his background, but when he got the job one of the first things I thought was OK the OL shouldn’t be a problem anymore.

Right now the starting OL appears to be:

LT: Jones
LG: Jenkins
C: Shelton
RG: Davis (good grief)
RT: Wright

I see one name on that list (Wright) that’s a long term solution and this is Year 3 of Poles. Then on the DL I’m surprised the DT problem has lingered for as long as it has given the importance of that role in the Cover-2.

Poles has done a heckuva lot more right than wrong, but I was thinking the lines would be the strength of this team.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 13:14:49 GMT -6 shark86 likes this

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Sept 7, 2024 12:30:19 GMT -6 The Marshall Plan said:

Does anybody else find it odd, given that Poles was OL himself, that he hasn’t made any big moves on either side of the line other than the Sweat trade?

Maybe it’s a sign of maturity on Poles’ part that he’s trying to build a team and not just focus on his background, but when he got the job one of the first things I thought was OK the OL shouldn’t be a problem anymore.

Right now the starting OL appears to be:

LT: Jones
LG: Jenkins
C: Shelton
RG: Davis (good grief)
RT: Wright

I see one name on that list (Wright) that’s a long term solution and this is Year 3 of Poles. Then on the DL I’m surprised the DT problem has lingered for as long as it has given the importance of that role in the Cover-2.

Poles has done a heckuva lot more right than wrong, but I was thinking the lines would be the strength of this team.

All I can think of, is that he is going to work on the lines more in 2025 (both draft and FA) coupled with a few young guys he has brought in, whom the staff believes can be really good. In the meantime I think he is hoping the 2024 units can be "good enough" to get us to 2025.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 14:06:00 GMT -6 shark86 likes this

Post by davidl on Sept 7, 2024 14:06:00 GMT -6

Sept 7, 2024 11:26:53 GMT -6 JABF said:

Aug 31, 2024 15:45:47 GMT -6 davidl said:

He will make a play now and then, but he will also bumble and fumble.

But he may be fine as a RB. I'm not talking as a RB1 but as a guy who can be an effective change of pace RB (not a gimmick guy but a legit change of pace RB).

Put him in once in awhile and have him run sweeps — mostly left. Hope he doesn’t lose the game with a muffed kick return. Cut him next year.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 14:27:19 GMT -6 The Marshall Plan likes this

Post by shark86 on Sept 7, 2024 14:27:19 GMT -6

Sept 7, 2024 12:30:19 GMT -6 The Marshall Plan said:

Does anybody else find it odd, given that Poles was OL himself, that he hasn’t made any big moves on either side of the line other than the Sweat trade?

Maybe it’s a sign of maturity on Poles’ part that he’s trying to build a team and not just focus on his background, but when he got the job one of the first things I thought was OK the OL shouldn’t be a problem anymore.

Right now the starting OL appears to be:

LT: Jones
LG: Jenkins
C: Shelton
RG: Davis (good grief)
RT: Wright

I see one name on that list (Wright) that’s a long term solution and this is Year 3 of Poles. Then on the DL I’m surprised the DT problem has lingered for as long as it has given the importance of that role in the Cover-2.

Poles has done a heckuva lot more right than wrong, but I was thinking the lines would be the strength of this team.

He's had a lot of positions to address, and he's done that in a very short time. I believe next year is when both lines will be upgraded.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Sept 7, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -6

Sept 7, 2024 14:06:00 GMT -6 davidl said:

Sept 7, 2024 11:26:53 GMT -6 JABF said:

But he may be fine as a RB. I'm not talking as a RB1 but as a guy who can be an effective change of pace RB (not a gimmick guy but a legit change of pace RB).

Put him in once in awhile and have him run sweeps — mostly left. Hope he doesn’t lose the game with a muffed kick return. Cut him next year.

He actually ran better running north/south as a RB. He was making a cut and was pretty impressive. His yards after contact were good too. He is a powerful dude as well as fast. On that one run he planted that foot, cut, and was gone... people looked like they were in slow-motion trying to catch him.

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Eberflus explains why Velus Jones EARNED his roster spot. Sept 7, 2024 15:55:26 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Sept 7, 2024 15:55:26 GMT -6

Sept 7, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -6 JABF said:

Sept 7, 2024 14:06:00 GMT -6 davidl said:

Put him in once in awhile and have him run sweeps — mostly left. Hope he doesn’t lose the game with a muffed kick return. Cut him next year.

He actually ran better running north/south as a RB. He was making a cut and was pretty impressive. His yards after contact were good too. He is a powerful dude as well as fast. On that one run he planted that foot, cut, and was gone... people looked like they were in slow-motion trying to catch him.

I doubt they will even try to run him up the middle. We shall see.

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