An article about realistic expectations from a first pick QB. Many of them did not see success until they went to a new team. I think that is because the first pick goes to a crappy team that does not have good infrastructure in place to support a good QB, so the good QB turns into a not so good QB (sound familiar?)
So expectations of Williams coming in and becoming a Burrows or Stroud should be tempered.... No matter how much we all want it to happen
I think you always gotta put an asterisk on expectations for a rookie QB, no matter who he is.
But yeah you're right, usually the team drafting one at #1 is a really shitty team that's nowhere near contending. Bears OTOH have a solid defense and good stable of offensive weapons, esp if we get Rome. We are a way better roster that most teams picking at #1.
I'm not gonna freak out if year 1 is rough at QB but I also think 3500 yards passing isn't too much of an ask either.
I see that the Las Vegas odds-makers are still offering over/under bets on Bears 8.5 wins.
For most of the offseason I have been skeptical of the CW hype. Mostly because almost all of what was getting published was hype. Not a reflection on the young man. Just that if you want me to be suspicious of something, surround it with mindless cheerleaders who attempt to shout down anyone who disagrees.
I found some analysis on CW that was very recently published (yesterday afternoon) by someone I respect. This is an analysis of CW's college career in what the author (Swifty from Swift Network Sports on YT) considers "clutch" situations. He uses the criteria of 3rd down plays, 3rd quarter play, 4th quarter plays and red zone plays as his sample for what he classifies as a clutch play. And his sample size is either all of one season or the entirety of CW's career. By going with a 100% sample size, it eliminates and possible sampling bias (or as JABF puts it, cheery picking).
Here is a link to the source YT video. It is about 8 minutes long and is full of good stuff and I strongly recommend anyone to watch this video. I took a couple of screen shots from the video to post here. This covers what I found most meaningful. The images are hidden inside the spoilers as they are pretty large, and I wanted to be careful with the overall size of this post. But the conclusion that I see is that this kid is the real deal. You don't end up having a college QBR >200 in the red zone, over a 3-year career, without having some skills.
The following are CW's stats for his 3rd down pass plays.
It's important to note that both Poles and Flus talked about how important "key situations" (red zone, 4th Q, 3rd down, etc) are to them in QB evaluations.
And Fields was literally terrible at all of those in the time he was here. IIRC, he was either dead last or 2nd to last in all those categories.
Do you think it is possible that Poles was gambling that this exact thing would happen? I mean hold on to Fields another year and see if can put it all together BUT trade the number one pick knowing that there the odds of a new QB drafted on a team most likely will lose a lot of games.
It honestly would not surprise me if he had a plan that looked like this seeing how he comes from the Chiefs and had Mahomes. Like I mean he ACTUALLY planned this!
Sounds funny but seems to be a chess player. Always looking at a couple of different outcomes.
I'm going CJ Stroud route. Let the rookie learn from his mistake.
Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning both started his rookie year and were great. Russell Wilson, CJ Stroud and RG3 led their teams to the playoffs there rookie years. There is no definitive blue print how to develop a quarterback.
It's important to note that both Poles and Flus talked about how important "key situations" (red zone, 4th Q, 3rd down, etc) are to them in QB evaluations.
And Fields was literally terrible at all of those in the time he was here. IIRC, he was either dead last or 2nd to last in all those categories.
Do you think it is possible that Poles was gambling that this exact thing would happen? I mean hold on to Fields another year and see if can put it all together BUT trade the number one pick knowing that there the odds of a new QB drafted on a team most likely will lose a lot of games.
It honestly would not surprise me if he had a plan that looked like this seeing how he comes from the Chiefs and had Mahomes. Like I mean he ACTUALLY planned this!
Sounds funny but seems to be a chess player. Always looking at a couple of different outcomes.
I would say that was a possibility if he knew he was getting the #1 pick, but there was no way for him to know that.
But maybe he didn't care what pick he got. He had the general plan in mind no matter what. But I tend to think he was waiting to see how Fields would play. I mean if a guy plays like Brady or Mahommes, you deal with his cap and build around it. You don't try and reset the cap.
Do you think it is possible that Poles was gambling that this exact thing would happen? I mean hold on to Fields another year and see if can put it all together BUT trade the number one pick knowing that there the odds of a new QB drafted on a team most likely will lose a lot of games.
It honestly would not surprise me if he had a plan that looked like this seeing how he comes from the Chiefs and had Mahomes. Like I mean he ACTUALLY planned this!
Sounds funny but seems to be a chess player. Always looking at a couple of different outcomes.
I would say that was a possibility if he knew he was getting the #1 pick, but there was no way for him to know that.
But maybe he didn't care what pick he got. He had the general plan in mind no matter what. But I tend to think he was waiting to see how Fields would play. I mean if a guy plays like Brady or Mahommes, you deal with his cap and build around it. You don't try and reset the cap.
+1 It looked like the Bears were giving Fields that 3rd season to showcase his value. If it were not for that 1st overall pick of the draft I think Fields probably did enough to keep his job. But once the Bears ended up with that 1st pick of the draft in a year where a really great prospect was available to them (Caleb), it made it hard to not draft CW. Fields did show improvement but the Bears had to weigh that against Caleb Williams who looks to be better than Fields, and who also offered them a financial reset. Both. It was like the perfect-storm facing Fields' retention. Now that I've had some time to process the whole thing, I"m convinced it came down to Fields not doing enough to counter-balance taking talent of Caleb Williams that also came with that reset of a rookie contract QB1.
I would say that was a possibility if he knew he was getting the #1 pick, but there was no way for him to know that.
But maybe he didn't care what pick he got. He had the general plan in mind no matter what. But I tend to think he was waiting to see how Fields would play. I mean if a guy plays like Brady or Mahommes, you deal with his cap and build around it. You don't try and reset the cap.
+1 It looked like the Bears were giving Fields that 3rd season to showcase his value. If it were not for that 1st overall pick of the draft I think Fields probably did enough to keep his job. But once the Bears ended up with that 1st pick of the draft in a year where a really great prospect was available to them (Caleb), it made it hard to not draft CW. Fields did show improvement but the Bears had to weigh that against Caleb Williams who looks to be better than Fields, and who also offered them a financial reset. Both. It was like the perfect-storm facing Fields' retention. Now that I've had some time to process the whole thing, I"m convinced it came down to Fields not doing enough to counter-balance taking talent of Caleb Williams that also came with that reset of a rookie contract QB1.
And Williams bears was bigger. They can put him in as a lineman if needed.
I'm going CJ Stroud route. Let the rookie learn from his mistake.
Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning both started his rookie year and were great. Russell Wilson, CJ Stroud and RG3 led their teams to the playoffs there rookie years. There is no definitive blue print how to develop a quarterback.
Was Peyton Manning great his rookie year? He had 26TDs but a whopping 28 INTs (that is nearly 2 a game) I certainly hope our rookie QB throws less INTs.
There is no definitive blue print how to develop a quarterback.
I agree, every player is unique and every team and situation the rookies land in is unique. We just have to hope the Bears get it right. If the offensive line can just be average good, then at least Caleb won't be taking physical beatings every game. Fields got curb-stomped with the crap kicked out of him - beginning with his first game as a pro and continuing on from there. We really don't need that repeated with Caleb Williams. I am so hoping the OL is decent this first season so the new kid has a fighting chance to succeed here.
Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning both started his rookie year and were great. Russell Wilson, CJ Stroud and RG3 led their teams to the playoffs there rookie years. There is no definitive blue print how to develop a quarterback.
Was Peyton Manning great his rookie year? He had 26TDs but a whopping 28 INTs (that is nearly 2 a game) I certainly hope our rookie QB throws less INTs.
If he turns into Peyton Manning, he can throw as many INTs his first year as he wants
Post by bearsinhouston on Apr 17, 2024 22:45:05 GMT -6
Here is an article about Williams. WARNING - not every word is positive. I hope none of our posters hunts this guy down and he has to go on deathwatch.