Thank goodness he has professionals in place to keep him level headed and give him good advice. Oh wait....
Mike Florio just published an article trying to legitimate Williams dictating to Poles where he wants to play. RG3 came out with his own recommendation that Williams should refuse to play in Chicago. And Sanders. I wish all these people would just shut-the-F up!
Yeah... I saw. And I kinda get it. The league holds all the cards. They can cancel a contract but a player can't..... stuff like that, so he is advocating on player rights. I get it. But it's the draft. You go where you get drafted. Maybe they can change the number of years before a player is restrained from being free or something else. Everyone is going to have their own thoughts on this. I don't agree that a player can dictate where he goes, but that's just me.
It's like telling the army that you don't want to go to Afghanistan. Send me to Hawaii. But that draft doesn't work that way either
Mike Florio just published an article trying to legitimate Williams dictating to Poles where he wants to play. RG3 came out with his own recommendation that Williams should refuse to play in Chicago. And Sanders. I wish all these people would just shut-the-F up!
Yeah... I saw. And I kinda get it. The league holds all the cards. They can cancel a contract but a player can't..... stuff like that, so he advocating on player rights. I get it. But it's the draft. You go where you get drafted. Maybe they can change the number of years before a player is restrained from being free or something else. Everyone is going to have their own thoughts on this. I don't agree that a player can dictate where he goes, but that's just me
If a player wants to go to a specific team, then he should play lights out for a few years for the team that drafted him. This his agent can request a trade and work toward that goal. Otherwise STFU.
Yeah... I saw. And I kinda get it. The league holds all the cards. They can cancel a contract but a player can't..... stuff like that, so he advocating on player rights. I get it. But it's the draft. You go where you get drafted. Maybe they can change the number of years before a player is restrained from being free or something else. Everyone is going to have their own thoughts on this. I don't agree that a player can dictate where he goes, but that's just me
If a player wants to go to a specific team, then he should play lights out for a few years for the team that drafted him. This his agent can request a trade and work toward that goal. Otherwise STFU.
Exactly. I lost interest in the NBA because of this crap.
besides, after a few years that other team may not be so desirable, and your efforts may have helped turn around the team that drafted you. Unless it's weather related, then too bad, play baseball or water polo.
Post by bearsinhouston on Mar 18, 2024 21:45:57 GMT -6
This worth a listen. A very short two and a half minutes. I have been trying to verbalize this stuff and these guys finally did.
The make the distinction between Williams being a generational talent vs. being a generational player. They say he is the former, but not sure he is the latter. Also they go off on his tendency to play hero ball instead of following the script. And they question the ability of the Bears organization being able to develop a new QB given their history.... especially given a new play caller and lots of new players all coming together being such a burden for a new QB. All legitimate points that I have thought about. Not to say it is doom and gloom, but these are real issues to consider.
This worth a listen. A very short two and a half minutes. I have been trying to verbalize this stuff and these guys finally did.
The make the distinction between Williams being a generational talent vs. being a generational player. They say he is the former, but not sure he is the latter. Also they go off on his tendency to play hero ball instead of following the script. And they question the ability of the Bears organization being able to develop a new QB given their history.... especially given a new play caller and lots of new players all coming together being such a burden for a new QB.
He's not generational anything... that's just some media spitballing from people who don't know squat. Nobody knows how this will turn out. These are just more people spitballing. Regarding the new players being a burden. He is going to have new players on any NFL team that drafts him... like do you send him to a team that doesn't participate in this years' draft? For that matter on any NFL team he goes to he will have 52 new players (new to him). Regarding the past failures by Bears coaches, that's past history and I don't think that dictates the future. The entire point in bringing in the new coaches and new players is to change this, and be successful now.
1. Caleb Williams may not even be a Bear. 2. If he is, then he will be like most rookie QB1's and struggle at times... and if he's any good he will show some good stuff too. 3. This "generational player" talk is just media crap. Just more people spitballing. Sensationalism. They don't know squat. 4. That said, he could be good. Or bad. Or something in between. Let's just watch what happens.
This worth a listen. A very short two and a half minutes. I have been trying to verbalize this stuff and these guys finally did.
The make the distinction between Williams being a generational talent vs. being a generational player. They say he is the former, but not sure he is the latter. Also they go off on his tendency to play hero ball instead of following the script. And they question the ability of the Bears organization being able to develop a new QB given their history.... especially given a new play caller and lots of new players all coming together being such a burden for a new QB.
He's not generational anything... that's just some media spitballing from people who don't know squat. Nobody knows how this will turn out. These are just more people spitballing. Regarding the new players being a burden. He is going to have new players on any NFL team that drafts him... like do you send him to a team that doesn't participate in this years' draft? For that matter on any NFL team he goes to he will have 52 new players (new to him). Regarding the past failures by Bears coaches, that's past history and I don't thing that dictates the future. The entire point in bringing in the new coaches and new players is to change this, and be successful now.
1. Caleb Williams may not even be a Bear. 2. If he is, then he will be like most rookie QB1's and struggle at times... and if he's any good he will show some good stuff too. 3. This "generational player" talk is just media crap. Just more people spitballing. Sensationalism. They don't know squat. 4. That said, he could be good. Or bad. Or something in between. Let's just watch what happens.
Thank God!
Just in my lifetime, I have seen Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Mahommes. I have already lived three generations and looks like I may have to live through another. This new QB stuff is really hard on you!
I feel for players the way the NFL seems to hold all the cards when it comes to contracts, but the NFLPA and the players fold every time the owners go all in during CBA talks and individual contract talks. I understand that careers are short and there guys need to get the money now. Losing a year of salary to help the next generation of players isn't always a high priority.
--These ideas are cribbed from other people I've read. Don't know how it would work out, but I think they are practical.
But, in the end it comes down to this: The players sign the contracts. The NFL is upfront about the contracts and how they work. The agents understand that the last few years will not be honored because that is how NFL contracts work.
What players should do is sign shorter contracts, don't let teams add void and blank years on the end. Don't sign a contract with a $45m non-guaranteed salary in the 4th year. You aren't getting that year. Shorter contracts will change how teams look at players, it will result in more shots at guaranteed money (lesser amounts over shorter contracts adding up to more in the long run). Players/agents should insist on shorted contracts with more guarantees even if the team if offer more guarantees for a longer contract.
But it won't happen because players need to get theirs while they can, and I understand that. You never know when a knee injury ends your career.
"The Justin Fields era was doomed before it began.
On January 10, 2021, the Chicago Bears lost a Wild Card Round Playoff match-up to the New Orleans Saints 21 to 9. The Bears' offense had only managed 3 points the entire game until Jimmy Graham scored a meaningless touchdown as time expired.
For most of the season, the 8-8 Bears seemed to be a team worse than their record. There was some talent on the roster, but the quarterback position continued to plague them. Despite being a playoff team, it appeared that the Bears needed a new direction.
But George McCaskey and Ted Phillips didn’t quite think so. GM Ryan Pace was popular with the Bears’ Chairman, so he decided to give Pace and head coach Matt Nagy one more chance. This set up a high-pressure situation for the next 11 months at Halas Hall for executives, coaches, veterans, and a rookie quarterback......."
"...Like most organizations, the Bears front office worked throughout the season to evaluate the roster including the quarterback position. When the regular season finished, Ryan Poles and his football operations had come to the conclusion that Justin Fields did not show enough during the season to prove he should remain the Bears starting quarterback.
Was it all bad? Of course not. Fields showed he was an excellent leader. The entire roster and the fans strongly supported him. He continued to show dynamic playmaking ability throughout the season, and he put his arm talent on display multiple times. But how Fields operates within the body of a game simply didn’t improve. In fact, in some areas, it even regressed.
Fields improved his sack rate, but it still sat above 10%, a rate that isn’t sustainable for an NFL quarterback. Despite having better talent, his completion percentage was flat year over year. His TD% dropped from the previous season. His yards per attempt also dropped. His passer rating was flat. Fields was turning the ball over less, but he wasn’t making the most of his opportunities......"
"....Teams don’t look at just this past season, they want to look at the big picture, and the bottom line, after three seasons, Fields’ passing numbers look alarmingly similar to Sam Darnold’s on multiple levels. Certainly, Darnold doesn’t have the dynamic athleticism of Fields, but teams look at Fields as a QB that only has one year of control — the consensus was that teams would not pick up Fields 5th year option when they didn’t have him in the building long enough to form their own evaluation — and didn’t have the passing chops to step in and execute their existing offense.
The media had connected the dots to certain teams that were win-now teams that didn’t have a quarterback. The Atlanta Falcons went with Kirk Cousins. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers retained Baker Mayfield. The Pittsburgh Steelers signed Russell Wilson. Even a team like the Las Vegas Raiders, which seemed like a long shot due to the hiring of Luke Getsy, shut the door when they signed Gardner Minshew.
The Fields market never materialized, and the Bears needed to recalibrate the situation........"
Just in my lifetime, I have seen Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Mahommes. I have already lived three generations and looks like I may have to live through another. This new QB stuff is really hard on you!
+1, LOL. I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of the "experts" pontificating about this kid being this-or-that, as if this is a done deal that he will suck and be the biggest bust ever - or be the greatest sports athlete in the history of mankind here on earth. Everybody who has a podcast, sports show or is an ex-somebody in the NFL is wading in. Their take is worthless crap. JMO.
