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Fields being traded to Pittsburgh Mar 18, 2024 22:47:49 GMT -6 bears40, Whisky Beer Bob, and 1 more like this

Post by shark86 on Mar 18, 2024 22:47:49 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

True story: I was a bag of bones in high school. I couldn't swim. Gym teacher threw me in. I sank. I tried to tell him beforehand but he didn't learn until he had to jump in and pull me off the bottom.

On another note, in case anyone hasn't noticed, I just like to have a little fun with the Bears. They've been so bad for so long that's really all we can do. So I take one of these every once in a while..

And if that doesn't work I take one or two of these...

And the Bears kool-aid tastes so much better. Life's too complicated to get hung up on things you can't control. 37 days, I better check my pill stash.

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Post by JABF on Mar 18, 2024 23:08:35 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:11:12 GMT -6 motm said:

But what's the point in putting resources into a FA veteran when we know damn well he won't be here in a year or so. Let the QB struggle early like Josh Allen but provide him the tools to be successful. Allen had way less his first 2 years in the NFL than what Williams has right now. That extra cap space can go for more depth or a better player.

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

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There is value to having a veteran in the QB room. Just having a rookie and a D2 "hope and a prayer" kid - doesn't sound like a good way to do this. The learning curve is steep for the QB transition to the NFL. I like your point there "I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful." If the Bears do that, then maybe we'll have a success here this time around.

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Post by motm on Mar 18, 2024 23:50:15 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:11:12 GMT -6 motm said:

But what's the point in putting resources into a FA veteran when we know damn well he won't be here in a year or so. Let the QB struggle early like Josh Allen but provide him the tools to be successful. Allen had way less his first 2 years in the NFL than what Williams has right now. That extra cap space can go for more depth or a better player.

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

Who out there would be worth being a teacher?

We don't need another Mike Glennon or Andy Dalton situation. Just wasting cap and not really being a good teacher. Unless you got Kirk Cousins on a 1 year deal. Then I would be ok with that. No other FA QB out there is worth it.

Even learning from a great QB doesn't always mean your a good one. Jimmy Garoppolo being a great example.

This looks to be on paper the best Bears offense we've had since 2013 with Forte, Bennett, Marshal, and Jeffery.

I expect a lot of the veteran players helping our young QB learn his game. That's more important than a QB who will sit the bench halfway through the season eating up cap space. That's what hurt us more than anything else. Lack of real playmakers.

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Post by motm on Mar 18, 2024 23:52:02 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 23:08:35 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

+1
There is value to having a veteran in the QB room. Just having a rookie and a D2 "hope and a prayer" kid - doesn't sound like a good way to do this. The learning curve is steep for the QB transition to the NFL. I like your point there "I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful." If the Bears do that, then maybe we'll have a success here this time around.

That's where veteran players come in and help the young QB. Would you rather have a Tier 3 QB guide him (That's all that is left out there in the market) or a 1k yard rusher and another 1k yard receiver?

The supporting tools a young QB needs is trust in his playmakers. Not some Tier 3 washup QB who will be sitting the bench halfway through the season.

Burrow and Allen both took a step forward when they got playmakers.

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Post by butkus3595 on Mar 19, 2024 6:41:03 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 21:21:52 GMT -6 motm said:

Mar 18, 2024 18:31:08 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

We all have our opinions. I get that. I don't try to talk anyone into anything, but when opinions are presented as facts, I kinda bail on that.

My opinion is the sky is green.

What? That's my opinion and you better respect that even though we all know its blue.

Sometime opinions can be wrong.

Indeed...

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Post by papabear7 on Mar 19, 2024 7:16:33 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 22:11:12 GMT -6 motm said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:01:30 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I do believe that mentorship is an important aspect for when a new QB comes into the NFL. IMO, it is a component of successful integration into the role.

But what's the point in putting resources into a FA veteran when we know damn well he won't be here in a year or so. Let the QB struggle early like Josh Allen but provide him the tools to be successful. Allen had way less his first 2 years in the NFL than what Williams has right now. That extra cap space can go for more depth or a better player.

The Bills literally hired a veteran QB specifically to mentor Allen. Yeah, Derek Anderson sucked as a QB but that doesn't mean he couldn't teach it. He had been in the league over a decade and undoubtedly had some knowledge he could share. I'm all for the Bears signing a vet QB to help (Insert your new QB of choice here) transition to the NFL. Maybe Brett Rypien is it, but I do kind of hope it's someone else.

www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/bills-sign-qb-derek-anderson-to-mentor-rookie-josh-allen

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Post by bearsinhouston on Mar 19, 2024 7:37:34 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 23:50:15 GMT -6 motm said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

Who out there would be worth being a teacher?

We don't need another Mike Glennon or Andy Dalton situation. Just wasting cap and not really being a good teacher. Unless you got Kirk Cousins on a 1 year deal. Then I would be ok with that. No other FA QB out there is worth it.

Even learning from a great QB doesn't always mean your a good one. Jimmy Garoppolo being a great example.

This looks to be on paper the best Bears offense we've had since 2013 with Forte, Bennett, Marshal, and Jeffery.

I expect a lot of the veteran players helping our young QB learn his game. That's more important than a QB who will sit the bench halfway through the season eating up cap space. That's what hurt us more than anything else. Lack of real playmakers.

I know this is going to come as a huge shock, but we will have to agree to disagree on this too.

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Post by bears40 on Mar 19, 2024 7:56:03 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 23:50:15 GMT -6 motm said:

Mar 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I hear you. But different philosophy. I don't believe in looking at the exceptions and game planning around those. I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful. Yes, you can throw a kid in a pool and most of the time, he will swim. Give him a teacher instead, and he will swim better.

Who out there would be worth being a teacher?

We don't need another Mike Glennon or Andy Dalton situation. Just wasting cap and not really being a good teacher. Unless you got Kirk Cousins on a 1 year deal. Then I would be ok with that. No other FA QB out there is worth it.

Even learning from a great QB doesn't always mean your a good one. Jimmy Garoppolo being a great example.

This looks to be on paper the best Bears offense we've had since 2013 with Forte, Bennett, Marshal, and Jeffery.

I expect a lot of the veteran players helping our young QB learn his game. That's more important than a QB who will sit the bench halfway through the season eating up cap space. That's what hurt us more than anything else. Lack of real playmakers.

I read an article that we were looking at Carson Wentz as our veteran mentor for CW.

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Post by JABF on Mar 19, 2024 8:05:00 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2024 23:52:02 GMT -6 motm said:

Mar 18, 2024 23:08:35 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1
There is value to having a veteran in the QB room. Just having a rookie and a D2 "hope and a prayer" kid - doesn't sound like a good way to do this. The learning curve is steep for the QB transition to the NFL. I like your point there "I think you try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. It is a good idea to provide all the supportive tools a new QB will need/use to be successful." If the Bears do that, then maybe we'll have a success here this time around.

That's where veteran players come in and help the young QB. Would you rather have a Tier 3 QB guide him (That's all that is left out there in the market) or a 1k yard rusher and another 1k yard receiver?

The supporting tools a young QB needs is trust in his playmakers. Not some Tier 3 washup QB who will be sitting the bench halfway through the season.

Burrow and Allen both took a step forward when they got playmakers.

I do see your point, but there is more value (by far) in having a veteran presence in that QB room - if - all you have there is a D2 kid and a rookie. The vet isn't there for his arm-strength but for his QB experience that can help these two kids transition, learn great work habits, understand how to BEST process and plan and grow. Coaches are key, but so is that veteran PLAYER presence in a situation like this. It's not an option but a "must have" in a situation like the Bears will have this year. We love the D2 kid. But he is useless to a rookie. QB's fail to transition to the NFL at an alarming rate. Let's pull out all of the stops to allow our new rookie to be successful.

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