How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears?

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -6

Post by brasilbear on Feb 26, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -6

From Peter King:

"I suppose the Bears are going to trade the top pick. I know nothing, but that seems to be the way the wind is blowing. What I say: The Bears could keep Justin Fields (and should), and trade the first pick down once or twice, and build the kind of supporting cast a team needs to contend. Suppose GM Ryan Poles traded the top pick down one spot to Washington (which would take Caleb Williams), and got the second pick, a second-round pick and a 2025 first-round pick in return. Then suppose Poles traded the second pick to Atlanta at eight, and the Falcons picked one of the other quarterbacks. In return, Chicago gets the eighth pick, Atlanta’s second-round pick, and first- and second-round picks next year. Imagine moving from 1 to 8 and ending up with this draft haul:

The eighth and ninth (their own) overall picks in round one this year.

Second-round picks from Washington and Atlanta this year.

Three first-round picks and two second-round picks in 2025.

For moving down seven picks in the first round, the Bears could end up with nine picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts. Instant infrastructure."

www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/fmia-nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time#l6

For what its worth, King is retiring. I think this is his last column.

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 14:14:25 GMT -6 shark86 and bsbears like this

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Feb 26, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

For moving down seven picks in the first round, the Bears could end up with nine picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts. Instant infrastructure.

This is my dream outcome. I have run that draft tool to death (yes it's a game but it has SOME value) and I can easily pick Marvin Harrison Jr, - and a total harvest of 7 picks in this year's first two rounds and have multiple 1st round picks (again) next year. It is like hitting the mother-lode jackpot 3 years in a row. Justin Fields is my #1 favorite QB1 for the Bears. If the Bears can't get it done with Fields then they won't ever get it done with anyone. The guy has the top-tier talent to be a top-5 NFL quarterback. No (before the idiots jump in) no he has not proven that (we have talked about the factors that have hurt his development here). But the Bears have the priceless opportunity to fix everything that has been broken here. Fields will THRIVE in that environment and the Bears (with these 3 priceless drafts) could build a dynasty for the next 10 or so years here.

This is my hope. Multiple trade downs and keep Fields at QB1 but add Marvin Harrison Jr to D.J. Moore - and you still will have 6 picks IN THIS YEAR'S first two rounds. Six. And for those wringing their hands about eventually having to pay him, hey, if he delivers as our 1st true franchise QB then yes, pay him. Don't do a draft of a new kid just to save money. Build a dynasty here. Poles has that opportunity.

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 15:09:29 GMT -6

Post by paytonisgod on Feb 26, 2024 15:09:29 GMT -6

Feb 26, 2024 14:14:25 GMT -6 JABF said:

Feb 26, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

For moving down seven picks in the first round, the Bears could end up with nine picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts. Instant infrastructure.

This is my dream outcome. I have run that draft tool to death (yes it's a game but it has SOME value) and I can easily pick Marvin Harrison Jr, - and a total harvest of 7 picks in this year's first two rounds and have multiple 1st round picks (again) next year. It is like hitting the mother-lode jackpot 3 years in a row. Justin Fields is my #1 favorite QB1 for the Bears. If the Bears can't get it done with Fields then they won't ever get it done with anyone. The guy has the top-tier talent to be a top-5 NFL quarterback. No (before the idiots jump in) no he has not proven that (we have talked about the factors that have hurt his development here). But the Bears have the priceless opportunity to fix everything that has been broken here. Fields will THRIVE in that environment and the Bears (with these 3 priceless drafts) could build a dynasty for the next 10 or so years here.

This is my hope. Multiple trade downs and keep Fields at QB1 but add Marvin Harrison Jr to D.J. Moore - and you still will have 6 picks IN THIS YEAR'S first two rounds. Six. And for those wringing their hands about eventually having to pay him, hey, if he delivers as our 1st true franchise QB then yes, pay him. Don't do a draft of a new kid just to save money. Build a dynasty here. Poles has that opportunity.

Getting something for a haul isn't any kind of guarantee either. In fact it might even be harder since you have to get all those multiple picks right to make the deal worth it. Here's an article about when the Rams got a haul for the RG3 pick.

www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/greg-robinsons-trade-to-lions-another-reminder-that-everyone-lost-in-the-rg3-trade/

The then-St. Louis Rams held the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. The consensus top two prospects that year were quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. But the Rams still thought they had their quarterback of the future in Sam Bradford (that turned out real well), so they decided to trade the pick to Washington.

What did they get in return? Washington's first-round picks in 2012, '13 and '14 as well as a second-rounder in 2012. Through various trades, the Rams turned those four picks into eight total selections, and wound up with the following players:

Michael Brockers
Janoris Jenkins
Isaiah Pead
Rokevious Watkins
Alec Ogletree
Stedman Bailey
Zac Stacy
Greg Robinson

But the Rams didn't come out of it all that great, either. Take a look at that list of eight players again. Brockers is a solid starter at defensive tackle and Ogletree is coming off what was likely his best season at linebacker, but the other six guys are all gone -- four of them victims to the Coin Toss Curse, as Hogs Haven calls it.

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Feb 26, 2024 15:09:29 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Getting something for a haul isn't any kind of guarantee either. In fact it might even be harder since you have to get all those multiple picks right to make the deal worth it.

You may be right. But to me it sounds exactly the opposite. More opportunities seem better odds than one swing at the ball. I have always felt that way. That is one reason why Pace made me crazy the way he'd trade away our picks to where he HAD to bat .1000 in the draft (which he obviously could not do). But Poles could end up with 6 or so picks in the top 75 picks. That is stunning to consider if you take Marvin Harrison Jr. with your first trade down. And you have a decent opportunity to get yet another 1st round pick in 2025. This was the discussion on CHGO today as being a very real possibility. Peter King also talked about how he expected the Bears to do the trade down, in his final column today.

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 18:48:18 GMT -6 via mobile

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Feb 26, 2024 15:09:29 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Feb 26, 2024 14:14:25 GMT -6 JABF said:

This is my dream outcome. I have run that draft tool to death (yes it's a game but it has SOME value) and I can easily pick Marvin Harrison Jr, - and a total harvest of 7 picks in this year's first two rounds and have multiple 1st round picks (again) next year. It is like hitting the mother-lode jackpot 3 years in a row. Justin Fields is my #1 favorite QB1 for the Bears. If the Bears can't get it done with Fields then they won't ever get it done with anyone. The guy has the top-tier talent to be a top-5 NFL quarterback. No (before the idiots jump in) no he has not proven that (we have talked about the factors that have hurt his development here). But the Bears have the priceless opportunity to fix everything that has been broken here. Fields will THRIVE in that environment and the Bears (with these 3 priceless drafts) could build a dynasty for the next 10 or so years here.

This is my hope. Multiple trade downs and keep Fields at QB1 but add Marvin Harrison Jr to D.J. Moore - and you still will have 6 picks IN THIS YEAR'S first two rounds. Six. And for those wringing their hands about eventually having to pay him, hey, if he delivers as our 1st true franchise QB then yes, pay him. Don't do a draft of a new kid just to save money. Build a dynasty here. Poles has that opportunity.

Getting something for a haul isn't any kind of guarantee either. In fact it might even be harder since you have to get all those multiple picks right to make the deal worth it. Here's an article about when the Rams got a haul for the RG3 pick.

www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/greg-robinsons-trade-to-lions-another-reminder-that-everyone-lost-in-the-rg3-trade/

The then-St. Louis Rams held the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. The consensus top two prospects that year were quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. But the Rams still thought they had their quarterback of the future in Sam Bradford (that turned out real well), so they decided to trade the pick to Washington.

What did they get in return? Washington's first-round picks in 2012, '13 and '14 as well as a second-rounder in 2012. Through various trades, the Rams turned those four picks into eight total selections, and wound up with the following players:

Michael Brockers
Janoris Jenkins
Isaiah Pead
Rokevious Watkins
Alec Ogletree
Stedman Bailey
Zac Stacy
Greg Robinson

But the Rams didn't come out of it all that great, either. Take a look at that list of eight players again. Brockers is a solid starter at defensive tackle and Ogletree is coming off what was likely his best season at linebacker, but the other six guys are all gone -- four of them victims to the Coin Toss Curse, as Hogs Haven calls it.

49ers had stockpiled picks for seemingly as long as John Lynch has been the GM (up until they used picks to get Trey Lance) and it's worked out pretty well for them. Lions too!

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Post by billymurray on Feb 26, 2024 19:01:30 GMT -6

I feel like they've really improved their coaching staff (but how could they not after last seasons debacle). Poles has been a GM with a plan. Prior GMs seemed like they were more reactive, fearing for their job. Poles coming in and trading away some aging players on D for draft capital and one LB in his prime in Flus 1st year took a lot of balls. He has a system and sticks to it. No one bats 1.000 and he has some misses but in the grand scheme they've been minor & he pivots to ensure that.
I cant remember a Bears team so stocked with draft capital and money giving the organization a plethora of options. I was so tired of always being the team with a FO & HC whose plan seemed like damage control always strapped with bloated contracts (most recently Pace kicking the can down the road).
I am pretty excited to see what the future holds!

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 19:02:38 GMT -6

Post by motm on Feb 26, 2024 19:02:38 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 22:10:23 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Feb 25, 2024 21:14:56 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

The great thing about "power rankings" no matter what their source is that I pay zero attention to any of them. They are purely subjective garbage and only tell you where you have been, not where you are going. I could care less what they say. Lotta fans love talking about them--enjoy yourselves--but its just not for me.

Don't care about what "number" my team is.

PT is right--at this point, Bears are the 3rd best team in the NFCN, maybe even the 4th. As has been the case for most of the last 4 decades, they have a good defense with a crap (pass) offense. Same old story. Haven't able to draft QB or WR for a long, long time.*

Until they prove otherwise, I keep my expectations modest.

*Bears all-time stats leader at QB is Jay Cutler--he wasn't that good and wasn't even a draft pick.
Bears all-time stats leader at WQ is Johnny Morris--he played in the 50s & 60s
And that's fkn pathetic

I know. You gotta have an elite QB and WR weapons to win the SB.

That's probably why when people still talk about the legendary 85 Bears being such a dominant team, the first guys that come to mind are the QB and WRs. All of course in the Hall of Fame. oh... wait.

Teams that win, can be built in different ways. Yes, people still talk about the 200 Rams and 84 Dolphins (and others) that put up crazy points, but the 85 Bears are on that "special" list and none of the guys you associate with being a necessity are really still spoken about today and none are inducted in the HOF. Yeah, I'd still like to have an elite QB. But we need a whole team that is good. Other parts of the team not only contribute, but can be the difference between winning and losing.

I get your point and it's valid, but I'd like to see a winning team. I am flexible as to how it is composed as long as it is a consistent winner. More often than not, an elite QB is part of the equation, but let's see what happens this year and how the team looks like

The 85 Bears could of been a dynasty had they had a QB who was a legit QB. That team had so much talent. Their 86 defense was even better. Either way, I don't like to compare old school football to new. You could get away with so much you can't nowadays. Plus there was no cap back in those days. Allowing Super Teams to be built.

With the salary cap. That limits your super team window. 1-2 years vs how much money you're willing to pay. With QBs taking up a huge chuck of the salary cap. Its very important you don't overpay for a Dak.

You put Dak on the 1985 and 1986 Bears team. He would have multiple Super Bowls. He's a Tier 2 QB who can win you games in the perfect system.

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 19:38:59 GMT -6 bears40 likes this

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Feb 26, 2024 19:02:38 GMT -6 motm said:

Feb 25, 2024 22:10:23 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I know. You gotta have an elite QB and WR weapons to win the SB.

That's probably why when people still talk about the legendary 85 Bears being such a dominant team, the first guys that come to mind are the QB and WRs. All of course in the Hall of Fame. oh... wait.

Teams that win, can be built in different ways. Yes, people still talk about the 200 Rams and 84 Dolphins (and others) that put up crazy points, but the 85 Bears are on that "special" list and none of the guys you associate with being a necessity are really still spoken about today and none are inducted in the HOF. Yeah, I'd still like to have an elite QB. But we need a whole team that is good. Other parts of the team not only contribute, but can be the difference between winning and losing.

I get your point and it's valid, but I'd like to see a winning team. I am flexible as to how it is composed as long as it is a consistent winner. More often than not, an elite QB is part of the equation, but let's see what happens this year and how the team looks like

The 85 Bears could of been a dynasty had they had a QB who was a legit QB. That team had so much talent. Their 86 defense was even better. Either way, I don't like to compare old school football to new. You could get away with so much you can't nowadays. Plus there was no cap back in those days. Allowing Super Teams to be built.

With the salary cap. That limits your super team window. 1-2 years vs how much money you're willing to pay. With QBs taking up a huge chuck of the salary cap. Its very important you don't overpay for a Dak.

You put Dak on the 1985 and 1986 Bears team. He would have multiple Super Bowls. He's a Tier 2 QB who can win you games in the perfect system.

I think the problem with the85 Bears was ownership meddling more than anything else. But JMO

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How are you feeling overall about the 2024 Bears? Feb 26, 2024 19:47:53 GMT -6

Post by motm on Feb 26, 2024 19:47:53 GMT -6

Feb 26, 2024 19:38:59 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Feb 26, 2024 19:02:38 GMT -6 motm said:

The 85 Bears could of been a dynasty had they had a QB who was a legit QB. That team had so much talent. Their 86 defense was even better. Either way, I don't like to compare old school football to new. You could get away with so much you can't nowadays. Plus there was no cap back in those days. Allowing Super Teams to be built.

With the salary cap. That limits your super team window. 1-2 years vs how much money you're willing to pay. With QBs taking up a huge chuck of the salary cap. Its very important you don't overpay for a Dak.

You put Dak on the 1985 and 1986 Bears team. He would have multiple Super Bowls. He's a Tier 2 QB who can win you games in the perfect system.

I think the problem with the85 Bears was ownership meddling more than anything else. But JMO

I'm sure that played a part in it. Dikta wasn't really a good HC either. He was carried by elite talent around him.

The 1980's team was the most talented team of that era in my opinion. 49ers were a dynasty because of Joe Montana. If the Bears had a healthy half decent QB for 86. That's their Super Bowl ring as well.

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