As I told MP, if Harrison is drafted and Fields plays 16+ games, he’s going to be 3500+. Ask butkus — our all-22 student.
He won’t throw for 30 TDs, but I just want the ball in the end zone whether by pass or run.
Wait so I cannot tell how he's going to perform but you can? I call BS, shit tons of BS, this entire post reeks of BS.
Look at all those if's. IF they draft a specific player, IF he plays 16 games, he hasn't played 16 games, and stats show that once an NFL player gets hurt and misses games, they tend to continue to do so, no doubt there are examples of this not being the case, but Fields has played 12-13 and 15 games in 3 years. Obviously rookie year doesn't count, but the trend is already started b/c of last year. Let me guess it also has IF the OC is good, and IF the OL and WR's stay healthy, and IF and IF and IF.
You don't win in the nfl like that, you win in the nfl by your qb throwing.
There is a big difference between predicting he can throw 300 more yards with Harrison on the team versus your prediction that he would flop in the playoffs in 2025. Yards passing depends — among many other things — how many games are played. He wants 4000 yards. I just said that depends on playing at least 16 games.
Wait so I cannot tell how he's going to perform but you can? I call BS, shit tons of BS, this entire post reeks of BS.
Look at all those if's. IF they draft a specific player, IF he plays 16 games, he hasn't played 16 games, and stats show that once an NFL player gets hurt and misses games, they tend to continue to do so, no doubt there are examples of this not being the case, but Fields has played 12-13 and 15 games in 3 years. Obviously rookie year doesn't count, but the trend is already started b/c of last year. Let me guess it also has IF the OC is good, and IF the OL and WR's stay healthy, and IF and IF and IF.
You don't win in the nfl like that, you win in the nfl by your qb throwing.
There is a big difference between predicting he can throw 300 more yards with Harrison on the team versus your prediction that he would flop in the playoffs in 2025. Yards passing depends — among many other things — how many games are played. He wants 4000 yards. I just said that depends on playing at least 16 games.
I'm sorry but I'm not understanding this strategy. Why are you going to draft MHJ when you're going to pair him with a QB who isn't going to throw that often? Like the whole argument with keeping Fields is that he gets you yards rushing to make up for his lack of passing. To maximize MHJ you should be throwing the ball a lot. Like 30+ times a game. Otherwise why would draft him? To get a measly 300 more yards a year. That's a strange way to burn a number one pick. I'm just not seeing the ROI there.
There is a big difference between predicting he can throw 300 more yards with Harrison on the team versus your prediction that he would flop in the playoffs in 2025. Yards passing depends — among many other things — how many games are played. He wants 4000 yards. I just said that depends on playing at least 16 games.
I'm sorry but I'm not understanding this strategy. Why are you going to draft MHJ when you're going to pair him with a QB who isn't going to throw that often? Like the whole argument with keeping Fields is that he gets you yards rushing to make up for his lack of passing. To maximize MHJ you should be throwing the ball a lot. Like 30+ times a game. Otherwise why would draft him? To get a measly 300 more yards a year. That's a strange way to burn a number one pick. I'm just not seeing the ROI there.
The 300 yards is a ridiculously low number to expect Harrison would add to Fields yards in 2024. My point was that Fields was passing at a rate that would have been 3400 without the fluke thumb injury. Add 300 for Harrison and you are at 3700 — a number MP would accept. I see a good chance Harrison+center+competent OC would get him over the magical 4000 worshipped around here. As I keep repeating, I care more about total yards than passing yards.
I'm sorry but I'm not understanding this strategy. Why are you going to draft MHJ when you're going to pair him with a QB who isn't going to throw that often? Like the whole argument with keeping Fields is that he gets you yards rushing to make up for his lack of passing. To maximize MHJ you should be throwing the ball a lot. Like 30+ times a game. Otherwise why would draft him? To get a measly 300 more yards a year. That's a strange way to burn a number one pick. I'm just not seeing the ROI there.
The 300 yards is a ridiculously low number to expect Harrison would add to Fields yards in 2024. My point was that Fields was passing at a rate that would have been 3400 without the fluke thumb injury. Add 300 for Harrison and you are at 3700 — a number MP would accept. I see a good chance Harrison+center+competent OC would get him over the magical 4000 worshipped around here. As I keep repeating, I care more about total yards than passing yards.
That would make sense if Fields was a thrower. Thing is he's not. When Moore wasn't here. Fields made many of you believe he's a #2 WR. When Moore came, he couldn't pay attention to everyone. Moore and Kmet got the most attention. I don't see Fields game changing too much with an elite wr.
If we draft Harrison someone is going to be ignored. Strange feeling its going to be Harrison who gets ignored.
Wait so I cannot tell how he's going to perform but you can? I call BS, shit tons of BS, this entire post reeks of BS.
Look at all those if's. IF they draft a specific player, IF he plays 16 games, he hasn't played 16 games, and stats show that once an NFL player gets hurt and misses games, they tend to continue to do so, no doubt there are examples of this not being the case, but Fields has played 12-13 and 15 games in 3 years. Obviously rookie year doesn't count, but the trend is already started b/c of last year. Let me guess it also has IF the OC is good, and IF the OL and WR's stay healthy, and IF and IF and IF.
You don't win in the nfl like that, you win in the nfl by your qb throwing.
There is a big difference between predicting he can throw 300 more yards with Harrison on the team versus your prediction that he would flop in the playoffs in 2025. Yards passing depends — among many other things — how many games are played. He wants 4000 yards. I just said that depends on playing at least 16 games.
There is 100% zero difference, and you should, as intelligent as you claim to be, able to know it. Both are guessing, both are assumptions, both are claims that, if he stays on the team, AND they draft MHjr, will be answered w/0 input from either person making the claim.
Cannot tell if you are lying to yourself or trying to lie to me, but I don't appreciate either.
As I told MP, if Harrison is drafted and Fields plays 16+ games, he’s going to be 3500+. Ask butkus — our all-22 student.
He won’t throw for 30 TDs, but I just want the ball in the end zone whether by pass or run.
Wait so I cannot tell how he's going to perform but you can? I call BS, shit tons of BS, this entire post reeks of BS.
Look at all those if's. IF they draft a specific player, IF he plays 16 games, he hasn't played 16 games, and stats show that once an NFL player gets hurt and misses games, they tend to continue to do so, no doubt there are examples of this not being the case, but Fields has played 12-13 and 15 games in 3 years. Obviously rookie year doesn't count, but the trend is already started b/c of last year. Let me guess it also has IF the OC is good, and IF the OL and WR's stay healthy, and IF and IF and IF.
You don't win in the nfl like that, you win in the nfl by your qb throwing.
I've had this debate with David for ages now. You will never pin him down. He will change the subject, add tons of conditions, and refuse to draw a red line.
In the hypothetical "Build around Fields " plan (not gonna happen but for sake of discussion): I said 3500 yards PASSING is the bare minimum ask. And even that isn't that great for freakin YEAR 4! I don't GAF about his rushing yards. Yeah he will get 500+ just because. He isn't gonna be running for 1000+ and big TDs again cuz teams have adjusted to what everyone saw in 2022. David says he's gotta have MHJ And he's gotta play 17 games (even though it's his own game deficiencies that make that unlikely) And its really not 3500 cuz if he gets 4000 total yards thats enough (even though QB running hasn't been a winning formula in 3 years) Oh and he's gotta have a great new C and so on and so on...
He wants MHJ so badly that he is willing to stick with a lesser QB to draft him. He falls in love with 1 specific WR every year. Last yr it was JSN. Couple yrs ago it was Rashod Bateman. I get MHJ is a stud and I'd love to have him too but QB is way more important.
In other words: Caleb + Odunze/Nabors >> Fields + MHJ
Its a bitter pill to swallow, even for me who thought JF1 would break out last year, but Fields is statistically a bottom-third QB in the NFL right now.
In key situations like last 5 minutes of half or last 5 of the game, he's even worse. He's bottom-3.
And thats a key problem with QB rushing (which we all agree JF excels at). No one is doing much designed-QB-running with 1:33 on the clock and you force a punt down 24-20 with 1 timeout.
Wait so I cannot tell how he's going to perform but you can? I call BS, shit tons of BS, this entire post reeks of BS.
Look at all those if's. IF they draft a specific player, IF he plays 16 games, he hasn't played 16 games, and stats show that once an NFL player gets hurt and misses games, they tend to continue to do so, no doubt there are examples of this not being the case, but Fields has played 12-13 and 15 games in 3 years. Obviously rookie year doesn't count, but the trend is already started b/c of last year. Let me guess it also has IF the OC is good, and IF the OL and WR's stay healthy, and IF and IF and IF.
You don't win in the nfl like that, you win in the nfl by your qb throwing.
I've had this debate with David for ages now. You will never pin him down. He will change the subject, add tons of conditions, and refuse to draw a red line.
In the hypothetical "Build around Fields " plan (not gonna happen but for sake of discussion): I said 3500 yards PASSING is the bare minimum ask. And even that isn't that great for freakin YEAR 4! I don't GAF about his rushing yards. Yeah he will get 500+ just because. He isn't gonna be running for 1000+ and big TDs again cuz teams have adjusted to what everyone saw in 2022. David says he's gotta have MHJ And he's gotta play 17 games (even though it's his own game deficiencies that make that unlikely) And its really not 3500 cuz if he gets 4000 total yards thats enough (even though QB running hasn't been a winning formula in 3 years) Oh and he's gotta have a great new C and so on and so on...
He wants MHJ so badly that he is willing to stick with a lesser QB to draft him. He falls in love with 1 specific WR every year. Last yr it was JSN. Couple yrs ago it was Rashod Bateman. I get MHJ is a stud and I'd love to have him too but QB is way more important.
In other words: Caleb + Odunze/Nabors >> Fields + MHJ
Its a bitter pill to swallow, even for me who thought JF1 would break out last year, but Fields is statistically a bottom-third QB in the NFL right now.
In key situations like last 4 minutes of half or last 4 of the game, he's even worse. He's bottom-3.
And thats a key problem with QB rushing (which we all agree JF excels at). No one is doing much designed-QB-running with 1:33 on the clock and you force a punt down 23-20.
Caleb + Odunze/Nabors >> Fields + MHJ I agree with this hypothetically, but I guess we could soon find out if its true. What I def want is grabbing a QB and a WR with our first rounders. Leaning towards keeping JF for a year, unless we get a 1st or high 2nd for him, keeping our new QB on the bench learning. Can we learn anything from GB?
The 300 yards is a ridiculously low number to expect Harrison would add to Fields yards in 2024. My point was that Fields was passing at a rate that would have been 3400 without the fluke thumb injury. Add 300 for Harrison and you are at 3700 — a number MP would accept. I see a good chance Harrison+center+competent OC would get him over the magical 4000 worshipped around here. As I keep repeating, I care more about total yards than passing yards.
That would make sense if Fields was a thrower. Thing is he's not. When Moore wasn't here. Fields made many of you believe he's a #2 WR. When Moore came, he couldn't pay attention to everyone. Moore and Kmet got the most attention. I don't see Fields game changing too much with an elite wr.
If we draft Harrison someone is going to be ignored. Strange feeling its going to be Harrison who gets ignored.
I think Harrison is WR1 by his second year. Like Randy Moss and Chris Carter. Kmet and whoever is the slot are #3 and #4.
I've had this debate with David for ages now. You will never pin him down. He will change the subject, add tons of conditions, and refuse to draw a red line.
In the hypothetical "Build around Fields " plan (not gonna happen but for sake of discussion): I said 3500 yards PASSING is the bare minimum ask. And even that isn't that great for freakin YEAR 4! I don't GAF about his rushing yards. Yeah he will get 500+ just because. He isn't gonna be running for 1000+ and big TDs again cuz teams have adjusted to what everyone saw in 2022. David says he's gotta have MHJ And he's gotta play 17 games (even though it's his own game deficiencies that make that unlikely) And its really not 3500 cuz if he gets 4000 total yards thats enough (even though QB running hasn't been a winning formula in 3 years) Oh and he's gotta have a great new C and so on and so on...
He wants MHJ so badly that he is willing to stick with a lesser QB to draft him. He falls in love with 1 specific WR every year. Last yr it was JSN. Couple yrs ago it was Rashod Bateman. I get MHJ is a stud and I'd love to have him too but QB is way more important.
In other words: Caleb + Odunze/Nabors >> Fields + MHJ
Its a bitter pill to swallow, even for me who thought JF1 would break out last year, but Fields is statistically a bottom-third QB in the NFL right now.
In key situations like last 4 minutes of half or last 4 of the game, he's even worse. He's bottom-3.
And thats a key problem with QB rushing (which we all agree JF excels at). No one is doing much designed-QB-running with 1:33 on the clock and you force a punt down 23-20.
Caleb + Odunze/Nabors >> Fields + MHJ I agree with this hypothetically, but I guess we could soon find out if its true. What I def want is grabbing a QB and a WR with our first rounders. Leaning towards keeping JF for a year, unless we get a 1st or high 2nd for him, keeping our new QB on the bench learning. Can we learn anything from GB?
I'm saying Caleb has a higher ceiling than Fields as a passer, not necessarily that CW is gonna light the league up Stroud-style in his rookie yr (though he very well could).
We know what JF is by this point. I see no evidence of his ceiling being a strong top-10. He would need a 50% jump in passing minimum just to sniff top-10. His divisional rivals are all 4000+ throwers. Cousins throws for 4000+ in his sleep and Love did it his first year playing.
If they draft a QB at #1 (whoever it is but it will be Caleb, book it), that guy is gonna be starting. There's <1% chance that Fields stays and starts while the new guy sits. Imagine the schism that would cause in the locker room. Can't see them doing that.
Poles is gonna do his due diligence draft prep, listen to offers, and once he finalizes his choice of Caleb, Fields will be traded.
I predict that sometime in the month of April, a Fields trade will be announced.
There is a big difference between predicting he can throw 300 more yards with Harrison on the team versus your prediction that he would flop in the playoffs in 2025. Yards passing depends — among many other things — how many games are played. He wants 4000 yards. I just said that depends on playing at least 16 games.
There is 100% zero difference, and you should, as intelligent as you claim to be, able to know it. Both are guessing, both are assumptions, both are claims that, if he stays on the team, AND they draft MHjr, will be answered w/0 input from either person making the claim.
Cannot tell if you are lying to yourself or trying to lie to me, but I don't appreciate either.
We are both making extrapolations. I think mine is much more defensible than yours. That’s why there’s a debate. I am not lying. I believe what I am saying.