Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb?

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 8:19:38 GMT -6 AlexM likes this

Post by butkus3595 on Mar 4, 2024 8:19:38 GMT -6

Mar 3, 2024 21:24:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 3, 2024 20:09:17 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Thats not happening with Davis' contract and you know it. And how do we know JPJ can play guard? And why do we want to repeat what we did with Whitehair? If we draft JPJ at 9 i'll have a friggen aneurysm.

Here's the deal. Nate Davis played poorly last year. Not Claypool bad, but he WAS a disappointment. Yes, his contract means he will be on the roster (he reminds me of the Lucas Patrick deal... I am underwhelmed with the acquisition). Keep him 1 more season due to the contract, but don't rely on him as your starter at RG. He's okay as a backup. You could do worse.

Regarding drafting JPJ, I would not invest a #9 in him, but in a trade down it could make sense. The heck of it is, he grades above all other interior OL guys in this draft (ahead of all of the guards). I don't like bouncing guys around (not starters... swing backups can). But I don't think it would hurt JPJ to spend a season at guard. I think he could learn a ton from lining up next to Cushenberry. I just don't see that as a negative. You are grooming your future there... a guy who could be your center for a decade. That would be an OL of:

Brax - Jenkins - Cushenberry - JPJ - Wright

I would LOVE to see that lineup for a couple years even. No, it probably won't happen. Is that a waste of JPJ? I don't think so. You get a great IOL from G to G there. But I agree that at #9 that would be too rich. But I have no problem in a trade down doing that. If the top WRs and TE are gone at #9, I would be okay with a trade down that harvested the best IOL in the draft for us.

There are many ways to skin the cat here. I doubt we see the JPJ thing. And I do believe Poles will fix the OL unless he's a half-wit asking to get fired when the new kid fails at QB1. Fix the OL, get a quality WR or two to add to the WR room, and he will be the hero here in Chicago.

Davis had his worst year since he was a rookie, but his track record suggests he's NOTHING like Patrick. Lucas's best season doesn't even match up to Nate's 3rd best season. He's not a top 10 guard in the NFL...but historically speaking, his performance puts him in the middle of the pack. You don't give up on that after one bad season in which he had a lot going on personally. Do we need depth at the interior...absolutely.

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Post by mpbears68 on Mar 4, 2024 8:36:05 GMT -6

Mar 4, 2024 8:19:38 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Mar 3, 2024 21:24:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

Here's the deal. Nate Davis played poorly last year. Not Claypool bad, but he WAS a disappointment. Yes, his contract means he will be on the roster (he reminds me of the Lucas Patrick deal... I am underwhelmed with the acquisition). Keep him 1 more season due to the contract, but don't rely on him as your starter at RG. He's okay as a backup. You could do worse.

Regarding drafting JPJ, I would not invest a #9 in him, but in a trade down it could make sense. The heck of it is, he grades above all other interior OL guys in this draft (ahead of all of the guards). I don't like bouncing guys around (not starters... swing backups can). But I don't think it would hurt JPJ to spend a season at guard. I think he could learn a ton from lining up next to Cushenberry. I just don't see that as a negative. You are grooming your future there... a guy who could be your center for a decade. That would be an OL of:

Brax - Jenkins - Cushenberry - JPJ - Wright

I would LOVE to see that lineup for a couple years even. No, it probably won't happen. Is that a waste of JPJ? I don't think so. You get a great IOL from G to G there. But I agree that at #9 that would be too rich. But I have no problem in a trade down doing that. If the top WRs and TE are gone at #9, I would be okay with a trade down that harvested the best IOL in the draft for us.

There are many ways to skin the cat here. I doubt we see the JPJ thing. And I do believe Poles will fix the OL unless he's a half-wit asking to get fired when the new kid fails at QB1. Fix the OL, get a quality WR or two to add to the WR room, and he will be the hero here in Chicago.

Davis had his worst year since he was a rookie, but his track record suggests he's NOTHING like Patrick. Lucas's best season doesn't even match up to Nate's 3rd best season. He's not a top 10 guard in the NFL...but historically speaking, his performance puts him in the middle of the pack. You don't give up on that after one bad season in which he had a lot going on personally. Do we need depth at the interior...absolutely.

Nate Davis had a down year last season, no questions about it. A not uncommon scenario with signing FAs. But his contract says he's the starter again this season so you are hoping for a rebound. Bears can't move on from him until 2025--they need a depth piece at G, not a starter right now.

I think its unlikely Poles will feel comfortable pairing a rookie QB with a rookie C. My best guess is that they will sign a vet in FA to play C and draft a developmental guy no earlier than round 3. As much as I'd love to have JPJ, I just don't see that happening as Bears need to get QB-WR-DE out of their first 3 picks.

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 9:35:12 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Mar 4, 2024 9:35:12 GMT -6

Mar 4, 2024 8:11:39 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Mar 3, 2024 20:29:28 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Similar to Mooney, and Mooney isn't that good. Never said ARob was a bum, just not as good as Moore; which is accurate. Don't play the red herring game here, it won't work.

At no time in the history of this board, until you and now, as anyone looked back and thought, ya BB and Davis, great WR's.

A-Rob has done something Moore has yet to do in this league...get over 1400 yards receiving. I agree that I think Moore is better...but A-Rob in his prime was damn good too. And talk about red herrings...when did I say Berrian and Davis were great? Never. All I said was that they were better than the #2 and #3 receiver we had this year. Thats accurate. Hell...they'd have been better than our #2 and #3 last year...could make the argument that Berrian was at least better than the #1 too! Again, that doesn't mean he was great...just better than the crap we've had the past two years not named DJ Moore.

A Rob was great in his prime. no doubt. Fine, I take it back, you thought they were good, they were nothing special, nothing teams worried about, nothing defenses had to be concerned with. No one; and I mean NO ONE, looks back w/fond memories of Davis and Berrian; for good reason. If you had not brought up their names, no one would have even remembered them outside of the comedy of them being starters for the bears.

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 9:57:04 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Mar 4, 2024 9:57:04 GMT -6

Mar 4, 2024 8:19:38 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Mar 3, 2024 21:24:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

Here's the deal. Nate Davis played poorly last year. Not Claypool bad, but he WAS a disappointment. Yes, his contract means he will be on the roster (he reminds me of the Lucas Patrick deal... I am underwhelmed with the acquisition). Keep him 1 more season due to the contract, but don't rely on him as your starter at RG. He's okay as a backup. You could do worse.

Regarding drafting JPJ, I would not invest a #9 in him, but in a trade down it could make sense. The heck of it is, he grades above all other interior OL guys in this draft (ahead of all of the guards). I don't like bouncing guys around (not starters... swing backups can). But I don't think it would hurt JPJ to spend a season at guard. I think he could learn a ton from lining up next to Cushenberry. I just don't see that as a negative. You are grooming your future there... a guy who could be your center for a decade. That would be an OL of:

Brax - Jenkins - Cushenberry - JPJ - Wright

I would LOVE to see that lineup for a couple years even. No, it probably won't happen. Is that a waste of JPJ? I don't think so. You get a great IOL from G to G there. But I agree that at #9 that would be too rich. But I have no problem in a trade down doing that. If the top WRs and TE are gone at #9, I would be okay with a trade down that harvested the best IOL in the draft for us.

There are many ways to skin the cat here. I doubt we see the JPJ thing. And I do believe Poles will fix the OL unless he's a half-wit asking to get fired when the new kid fails at QB1. Fix the OL, get a quality WR or two to add to the WR room, and he will be the hero here in Chicago.

Davis had his worst year since he was a rookie, but his track record suggests he's NOTHING like Patrick. Lucas's best season doesn't even match up to Nate's 3rd best season. He's not a top 10 guard in the NFL...but historically speaking, his performance puts him in the middle of the pack. You don't give up on that after one bad season in which he had a lot going on personally. Do we need depth at the interior...absolutely.

The RG position needs to be a whole lot better than what Nate Davis delivered last season.

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 10:03:41 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Mar 4, 2024 10:03:41 GMT -6

Mar 4, 2024 8:36:05 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nate Davis had a down year last season, no questions about it.

If his play is equivalent to last year then that is a major problem for a rookie QB1. If he starts he has to play better or else that is a major problem for a rookie QB1. The guy blew chunks last year. And if we do draft a young rookie C for this year, it's critically important you don't put him out there with a crap RG next to him. That is also a major problem for 2024.

Is the contract a major problem too, if the guy is a bad OL player again? Sure. That doesn't mean you have to hurt your team and season by playing him just because you gave out a bad contract. Admit you made a mistake... it happens... but don't kill your rookie QB to prove a $$$ point.

Maybe the guy was playing injured or something, and he WILL play better this year. If that happens then no worries, play the guy. I fully understand it could have been an off-season, an aberration year.

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Mar 2, 2024 18:32:27 GMT -6 davidl said:

Mar 2, 2024 16:54:39 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

A) I think there's gonna be 4 QBs drafted in the top-10. You know who they are. So Odunze or Nabors has a real shot to reach #9 IMO.
B) I also think that you draft WR or Edge at #9, not C. High-impact positions only in the top-10 with very rare exception for me.

There are only 4 spots — 5,6,7,8. Nabers and Odunze can easily go there as well as Bowers, Alt, and two Edge guys. Are you drafting a WR at #9 if Nabers and Odunze are gone? I don’t propose Powers-Johnson at #9 (but I would not mind that), because you can trade down 7-8 spots and still have good chance to get him. However, Poles won’t do that. He will go go a pass rusher, and that won’t please the “maximize support for Williams” folks.

So you don't believe any left tackles will go in any of these picks

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 11:46:35 GMT -6 JABF likes this

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Mar 4, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -6 bsbears said:

Mar 2, 2024 18:32:27 GMT -6 davidl said:

There are only 4 spots — 5,6,7,8. Nabers and Odunze can easily go there as well as Bowers, Alt, and two Edge guys. Are you drafting a WR at #9 if Nabers and Odunze are gone? I don’t propose Powers-Johnson at #9 (but I would not mind that), because you can trade down 7-8 spots and still have good chance to get him. However, Poles won’t do that. He will go go a pass rusher, and that won’t please the “maximize support for Williams” folks.

So you don't believe any left tackles will go in any of these picks

I'm still not convinced 4 QBs right away. May happen, but may be more spread put and not all hit in the first 8 picks

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Post by davidl on Mar 4, 2024 12:01:48 GMT -6

Mar 4, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -6 bsbears said:

Mar 2, 2024 18:32:27 GMT -6 davidl said:

There are only 4 spots — 5,6,7,8. Nabers and Odunze can easily go there as well as Bowers, Alt, and two Edge guys. Are you drafting a WR at #9 if Nabers and Odunze are gone? I don’t propose Powers-Johnson at #9 (but I would not mind that), because you can trade down 7-8 spots and still have good chance to get him. However, Poles won’t do that. He will go go a pass rusher, and that won’t please the “maximize support for Williams” folks.

So you don't believe any left tackles will go in any of these picks

There is possibility that a tackle goes instead of an edge, and it is possible Odunze is there at #9. The question is about what’s plan “B” if he’s not?

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Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb? Mar 4, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -6 via mobile

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Mar 4, 2024 12:01:48 GMT -6 davidl said:

Mar 4, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -6 bsbears said:

So you don't believe any left tackles will go in any of these picks

There is possibility that a tackle goes instead of an edge, and it is possible Odunze is there at #9. The question is about what’s plan “B” if he’s not?

I am guessing a trade down. Honestly, with Poles, it may be a trade down even if he is there.

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Mar 4, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 4, 2024 12:01:48 GMT -6 davidl said:

There is possibility that a tackle goes instead of an edge, and it is possible Odunze is there at #9. The question is about what’s plan “B” if he’s not?

I am guessing a trade down. Honestly, with Poles, it may be a trade down even if he is there.

If one of the QB's drops to 9 it would be fun to see what could transpire.

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