Poll - What % Blame do you place on Fields vs the TEAM

The TEAM is better than many QB's that out performed him. Love didn't have anyone like Kmet or Moore. The OL looked capable w/his backup who threw ontime and quickly.
The OC was scapegoated, but obviously didn't help, but what is he supposed to call when the QB doesn't do what he's supposed to consistently? End of the year I was watching other teams do back to back screens or build O's w/a lot of screens, it's not uncommon in the NFL, what is, is having a qb w/a windup that makes softball pitchers look compact and tight. Hard to call play action when the qb doesn't commit to giving a believable fake handoff; his fakes were Cutleresque in every bad way possible.

This was supposed to be the no excuse year for many(not me, 10 away from 10 away was accurate imo; and 15 of those 20 could easily go to the O). Yet online and sports media its still excuse after excuse. Nope, even Mitch had 2 3k years, and ARob is not Moore, and he never had a TE that played as well as Kmet has finally started playing; and he had an extra game to do it in. 3k 21 qb's had 2.8k or more, 2.8 isn't good btw, and 19 had 3k, 10 had 4k, and Justin barely clipped 2.5. 17 had 20+ passing td's, Justin 16. Not good enough. None of his numbers say ascending top tier talent when you also look at the tape. He had 1 game and a 2nd half where he threw like an NFL qb, tight windows on time.
No OC or QBC is telling him to hold onto the ball and act like he's back at Ohio St the WR's will eventually get wide open. Thats a him thing, he's a problem w/out anyone else in the picture; is that b/c of Nagy and Getsy, maybe, but it was an issue in college also, so not completely. Was it b/c he could never trust his weapons until this year, which was to late into is development, maybe, but there is no fixing that now. Everything he's done since he started playing in the NFL that has been instilled into him is wrong, runs to much, holds the ball to long. Where ever he ends up he's likely to do the same.

Got to move on, Williams, Maye, a later qb that can sit behind a vet qb brought in to help install the new OC's system. whatever. there is no building around a qb that instinctively wants to be a running back.

I honestly think he had turned the page last year, and bided time to build up a roster that would be more effective in building around a young qb. If they keep JF, fine, but Im not expecting a Lamar or Hurst type explosion next year. I was so happy in that 2nd to last week thinking maybe it took to long, but maybe he figured it out. Then GB and it was right back to his norm. Maybe if he got to sit and learn, maybe if he went to a team like GB or KC it would be different, but he didn't, and he's no where near the qb ceiling he should be at, and I think the door to it is permanently locked at this point.

I heard it, I still think a team can fry a QB, just b/c they don't go on elsewhere to do anything doesn't mean they couldn't have been something if drafted to a better situation. 
Like I said, Stroud is a unicorn, this type of performance by a rookie w/nothing to speak of around him is unheard of you just don't see what he is doing. I'll still stand by Mahomes is a mid, but still better then Mitch, QB if he got drafted to Chicago. Not a HoF O HC, no HoF WR TE LT helping him out; hof, hell the bears WR's that year shouldn't have been in the NFL, and I don't think they were the next year.

My guess it's likely somewhere inbetween. The bust rate for all positions is exceptionally high, no surprise it would be for the hardest position in the game. The level of athlete means less b/c everyone is one. The skill level and the ability to process information and the work ethic is far more important; and those are things that are harder to see on tape and in interviews.  But most young players are going to struggle w/changing staffs constantly and having subpar talent incapable of helping out. 

Ex: Gervon Dexter Sr vs Carter. After the Sweat trade happened, they both had similar sacks like w/in .5 sacks. What changed? Carter started w/supporting talent, Dex didn't. Good players around young players matters. On the other hand, isn't that proof that coaching doesn't matter that much? Joes>X's and O's? Flus went from inept and should be fired mid year, to looking capable w/the addition of a capable pass rusher. 

If I remember correctly you mocked GB for how they treated the offseason, I liked it, you cannot attempt to argue. Big difference, GB knew what Love was and what he needed, and went all in on it. Bears have never, outside of 2 years w/Trestman, gone all in to build around the QB. 

Joe's>X's and O's, you cannot argue w/the NFL coach that said that. No system works w/scrubs. Bellecheck was nothing w/out having a HoF QB before or after, you cannot argue that. 

There is no argument that some systems don't scheme guys open, the very thought process is moronic at it's base and I don't believe you actually believe it, other than needing to, to justify thinking Fields isn't a big piece of he problem.