Post by bearsfaninaz on Jan 11, 2024 15:47:42 GMT -6
With it being the Bears they will draft a QB then fire Eberflus next season and bring in a new HC that didn't love the QB and we start the cycle all over again. It's about the only tradition the team will has at this point.
With it being the Bears they will draft a QB then fire Eberflus next season and bring in a new HC that didn't love the QB and we start the cycle all over again. It's about the only tradition the team will has at this point.
"We have a talented but flawed passer here for ya. Last OC & QB coach just got canned. He's entering his 4th and final contract year, we don't wanna pay him, the HC is on the playoffs-or-fired hotseat, and you have one season to get a 50% quantum leap improvement out of him.
Soooooooo.......do you want the job?"
That is easy. You sell him on my scenario. We are going to lead the NFL in rushing again. That’s 2800-3000 yards. Fields was throwing at a rate of 3400 this year even with the OC and QB coaches we just fired. We are drafting MHJ, so you will have two Pro Bowl WRs. That will get Fields up to 3500+ yards. Add it up, and we have over 6000+ total offense, which would rank the offense top-5 in the NFL.
You and motm are TOTALLY focused on QB passing yards. I don’t even want an OC with that orientation, and neither does Eberflus. As he says, “We’re going to run the ball.” Why wouldn’t we? Brax, Jenkins,Wright, and JABF’s center are going to be damn good blockers for Herbert, Fields, etc.
Didn't we lead the league in rushing yards last season? Yep, I think we did. Finished 3-14
We were high up in the rankings this season too. Finished 7-10 playing a very weak schedule.
This isn't 1978. Rushing matters far less than it used to. The only great rushing team I can think of that went deep in the playoffs recently was Tennessee about 5 years ago when Derrick Henry ran for 2000+. It happened ONCE. And they lost in the AFCCG. Never even made a SB much less won one.
The reason I am "focused" on the passing game is because that is what is decisive in the modern NFL. The rules favor passing. You're trying to recreate the '85 Bears.
If you think I'm making that up, look at the FT costs for RBs (avg of top-10 salaries) compared to other positions. Look at where RBs get drafted (mostly Day 3 nowadays). Both are objective measures that tell you the running game has been greatly devalued and doesn't carry nearly the weight or impact of the passing game.
With it being the Bears they will draft a QB then fire Eberflus next season and bring in a new HC that didn't love the QB and we start the cycle all over again. It's about the only tradition the team will has at this point.
It is a well oiled machine
Yep, that's what they do. Drives me crazy.
They refuse to align their staff properly so constantly have these awkward pairings that don't work.
That is easy. You sell him on my scenario. We are going to lead the NFL in rushing again. That’s 2800-3000 yards. Fields was throwing at a rate of 3400 this year even with the OC and QB coaches we just fired. We are drafting MHJ, so you will have two Pro Bowl WRs. That will get Fields up to 3500+ yards. Add it up, and we have over 6000+ total offense, which would rank the offense top-5 in the NFL.
You and motm are TOTALLY focused on QB passing yards. I don’t even want an OC with that orientation, and neither does Eberflus. As he says, “We’re going to run the ball.” Why wouldn’t we? Brax, Jenkins,Wright, and JABF’s center are going to be damn good blockers for Herbert, Fields, etc.
Didn't we lead the league in rushing yards last season? Yep, I think we did. Finished 3-14
We were high up in the rankings this season too. Finished 7-10 playing a very weak schedule.
This isn't 1978. Rushing matters far less than it used to. The only great rushing team I can think of that went deep in the playoffs recently was Tennessee about 5 years ago when Derrick Henry ran for 2000+. It happened ONCE. And they lost in the AFCCG. Never even made a SB much less won one.
The reason I am "focused" on the passing game is because that is what is decisive in the modern NFL. The rules favor passing. You're trying to recreate the '85 Bears.
If you think I'm making that up, look at the FT costs for RBs (avg of top-10 salaries) compared to other positions. Look at where RBs get drafted (mostly Day 3 nowadays). Both are objective measures that tell you the running game has been greatly devalued and doesn't carry nearly the weight or impact of the passing game.
Come on, you know this stuff. It's obvious.
You are not giving an honest reading to what I said. I said my focus is on TOTAL offense = running+passing. All the top teams have 6000+ yards. The Ravens were #1 in rushing this year. They were #2 last year. The Bears were #2 this year and #1 last year. But TOTAL offense also includes passing yards. As I said, with Harrison added, Fields will be 3500+ He was already on 3400+ pace this year even with Getsy running the offense. Added together, we’re at 6000+ total offense which equates to 28+ ppg. That wins a lot of games IF the Bears defense holds up. The W-L record reflects defense as much as offense.
Didn't we lead the league in rushing yards last season? Yep, I think we did. Finished 3-14
We were high up in the rankings this season too. Finished 7-10 playing a very weak schedule.
This isn't 1978. Rushing matters far less than it used to. The only great rushing team I can think of that went deep in the playoffs recently was Tennessee about 5 years ago when Derrick Henry ran for 2000+. It happened ONCE. And they lost in the AFCCG. Never even made a SB much less won one.
The reason I am "focused" on the passing game is because that is what is decisive in the modern NFL. The rules favor passing. You're trying to recreate the '85 Bears.
If you think I'm making that up, look at the FT costs for RBs (avg of top-10 salaries) compared to other positions. Look at where RBs get drafted (mostly Day 3 nowadays). Both are objective measures that tell you the running game has been greatly devalued and doesn't carry nearly the weight or impact of the passing game.
Come on, you know this stuff. It's obvious.
You are not giving an honest reading to what I said. I said my focus is on TOTAL offense = running+passing. All the top teams have 6000+ yards. The Ravens were #1 in rushing this year. They were #2 last year. The Bears were #2 this year and #1 last year. But TOTAL offense also includes passing yards. As I said, with Harrison added, Fields will be 3500+ He was already on 3400+ pace this year even with Getsy running the offense. Added together, we’re at 6000+ total offense which equates to 28+ ppg. That wins a lot of games IF the Bears defense holds up. The W-L record reflects defense as much as offense.
OK
If Fields is the Bears QB next year, which I doubt he will be, he needs to get to 3500 passing yards minimum.
You are not giving an honest reading to what I said. I said my focus is on TOTAL offense = running+passing. All the top teams have 6000+ yards. The Ravens were #1 in rushing this year. They were #2 last year. The Bears were #2 this year and #1 last year. But TOTAL offense also includes passing yards. As I said, with Harrison added, Fields will be 3500+ He was already on 3400+ pace this year even with Getsy running the offense. Added together, we’re at 6000+ total offense which equates to 28+ ppg. That wins a lot of games IF the Bears defense holds up. The W-L record reflects defense as much as offense.
OK
If Fields is the Bears QB next year, which I doubt he will be, he needs to get to 3500 passing yards minimum.
We agree
Except for Stroud, all your 4000 yard guys played 16-17 games. If Fields plays that many games AND Bears draft Harrison and JABF’s center, Fields is at 3500+ yards. That was my statement.
If Fields is the Bears QB next year, which I doubt he will be, he needs to get to 3500 passing yards minimum.
We agree
Except for Shroud, all your 4000 yard guys played 16-17 games. If Fields plays that many games AND Bears draft Harrison and JABF’s center, Fields is at 3500+ yards. That was my statement.
Availability is part of a QBs evaluation and profile. Fields takes a lot of sacks. He runs the ball a lot. Even though he has gotten better at sliding, the guy still takes a lot of big hits.
As tough as he is, it's hard to see him playing 16 games consistently. Particularly since the refs refuse to give him any calls.
3500 passing yards is a reasonable minimum benchmark for a successful NFL QB and yeah that means not missing many games. NFL teams consider injury history and injury risk with every player they invest in.
Post by shortfacedbear on Jan 11, 2024 18:57:14 GMT -6
I would think that keeping Fields is the play. Trade down and acquire Harrison JR. If that isn't possible draft someone the likes of Nix. That way they would have development if things go south in 2024 and competition if needing to redraft qb's in 2025. Keeping Badget should also help support all.
Except for Shroud, all your 4000 yard guys played 16-17 games. If Fields plays that many games AND Bears draft Harrison and JABF’s center, Fields is at 3500+ yards. That was my statement.
Availability is part of a QBs evaluation and profile. Fields takes a lot of sacks. He runs the ball a lot. Even though he has gotten better at sliding, the guy still takes a lot of big hits.
As tough as he is, it's hard to see him playing 16 games consistently. Particularly since the refs refuse to give him any calls.
3500 passing yards is a reasonable minimum benchmark for a successful NFL QB and yeah that means not missing many games. NFL teams consider injury history and injury risk with every player they invest in.
No hedging
He can take the hits as well as any. The thumb injury could happen to anybody. It’s not hedging. It’s stating an obvious fact. Moore won’t have 1,000 yards if he misses half the games.