The new qb will also be cheap. The secret sauce is winning a SB with a first contract QB and build a great team around him
I posted a tweet in another thread that addresses that. It's really not the savings most think it is, especially when you consider that you'd get multiple players on cheap contracts at positions of need if you trade the pick and wouldn't have to spend that money in free agency. As it is the #1 picks salary year 1 would be more expensive than Fields salary next year.
Yeah but then the following years after next year is when you’d get the savings. Changing subjects Mike Wahle was asked about Fields this morning and he said Fields will make the Bears or some other team happy next year. He suggests they bring in an OC that runs an offense like how the Eagles utilize Hurts or Baltimore utilized Lamar early on
I posted a tweet in another thread that addresses that. It's really not the savings most think it is, especially when you consider that you'd get multiple players on cheap contracts at positions of need if you trade the pick and wouldn't have to spend that money in free agency. As it is the #1 picks salary year 1 would be more expensive than Fields salary next year.
Yeah but then the following years after next year is when you’d get the savings. Changing subjects Mike Wahle was asked about Fields this morning and he said Fields will make the Bears or some other team happy next year. He suggests they bring in an OC that runs an offense like how the Eagles utilize Hurts or Baltimore utilized Lamar early on
Yeah we all have been saying that for a long time here.
The Bears franchise as a whole has been inept not only at the QB position but in coaching hires too. For a long time.
Post by Whisky Beer Bob on Jan 5, 2024 10:59:07 GMT -6
I am still surprised there has been no team that builds a team as a plug and play style with newly drafted QB's in mind. I understand that D schemes are a bit more in depth but eventually a team will try it. The way the QB salaries are climbing a team build that way could draft a new QB every couple of years and save their big money for the rest of the team.
I guess in a way that is how San Fran is now built seeing how Purdy has just stepped in and taken control.
I'm guessing Nix and Penix go in the lower 1/3rd of the first round. They both seem like similar tier QBs to me. Both are surrounded by an obscene level of supporting offense talent and have solid coaches. I wonder how well they will do without that support in the NFL. On the right team, with good coaches and great supporting talent they could be good starters. At least I think so. Neither will do anything at the NFL level without that support. Same with Caleb and Maye. It does look like Caleb Williams and Maye as the lone tier-1 guys, and maybe Nix and Penix are the "best of the rest" guys. I have watched a lot of Nix games because I do follow the Ducks each year. Love watching them play on offense.
Thats the key JABF!!! Any QB...I don't care who they are needs support to perform their best. They cannot do it all on their own. At a base level they need talent...if they have good coaching it doesn't need to be the BEST talent...but it needs to be better than JAG level. Take a look at Jordan Love. The Packers don't have ELITE talent at the receiver position...but they go 4 deep with GOOD players. DJ Moore is better than any receiver they have...but after that, we don't have a guy players 2 through 4 who is as good as Doubs, Reed, or Wicks. We just don't. We've got a shell of Darnell Mooney, Tyler Scott dropping passes all over the joint, and Velus Jones. Kmet is better than Luke Musgrave...but Tucker Kraft is better than Tonyan.
I was thinking about this this morning about how we expect Fields to perform like a top 5 QB, but he doesn't have that kind of talent or coaching surrounding him. Tua wasn't the top passing QB in the league until he got Tyreek, Waddle and McDaniels calling plays. Before that the owner was breaking rules to try and get Brady. Hurts wasn't the Hurts we know until he got AJ Brown and Devonta Smith and Dallas Goedert and good play calling...on and on I could go with examples. Hell, Brock Purdy is like the 5th best player on that offense in San Fran, with a GENIUS play caller/designer. He'd be a shell of that any where else. People keep on talking about looking at the TOTAL PICTURE when it comes to Fields...but you're really not. You're looking at TOTAL STATS...thats NOT the total picture.
That’s why Harrison, a center, and better coaching will do wonders for Fields total stats. It doesn’t have to turn him into Tom Brady — just good enough offense to win a Super Bowl. If we win Super Bowl in 2025, I don’t care where Fields stands in QB rankings.
I am still surprised there has been no team that builds a team as a plug and play style with newly drafted QB's in mind. I understand that D schemes are a bit more in depth but eventually a team will try it. The way the QB salaries are climbing a team build that way could draft a new QB every couple of years and save their big money for the rest of the team.
I guess in a way that is how San Fran is now built seeing how Purdy has just stepped in and taken control.
As I was reading your post I was thinking "thats exactly how San Fran is built". Purdy is like the 5th best player on that offense. He's surrounded by STUDS. All Purdy has to do is not screw it up, which isn't necessarily easy...so I don't want it to seem like I'm totally dismissing him.
I am still surprised there has been no team that builds a team as a plug and play style with newly drafted QB's in mind. I understand that D schemes are a bit more in depth but eventually a team will try it. The way the QB salaries are climbing a team build that way could draft a new QB every couple of years and save their big money for the rest of the team.
I guess in a way that is how San Fran is now built seeing how Purdy has just stepped in and taken control.
As I was reading your post I was thinking "thats exactly how San Fran is built". Purdy is like the 5th best player on that offense. He's surrounded by STUDS. All Purdy has to do is not screw it up, which isn't necessarily easy...so I don't want it to seem like I'm totally dismissing him.
We could try this, but we would have to have someone who can coach QBs and do it in a scheme neutral manner. What I mean is as you approach the end of your 5 years on a rookie QB contract you would have to be working on a replacement. There is no guarantee that you would have an exact match in skill set to scheme.
IMO it woudl take better offensive coaching that I've seen here recently (and that goes beyond Flus & Getsy).
Let's hope Getsy doesn't turtle up against his old team and scheme up an offense like he did last week. I FINALLY saw him scheme guys open with motion and releases...haven't seen it all season until last week. Getsy finally had a good game calling plays and it helped. Fields can't do it all on his own. If Getsy asks everyone to win all on their own again, like he's done a majority of the season, my blood will be boiling.
Getsy's scheme week 1 was a fireable offense. He better be WAYYYYYYYY better than that on Sunday. I truly believe that Getsy's job is on the line this weekend. Flus and Fields may survive a crapfest but no way Getsy does. I've notice Flus' language toward Getsy has been a bit cool lately. He's definitely on hot seat. Frank Reich is available and he's a more experienced coach and QB guru that Getsy is. Luke was just Aaron Rodgers' personal assistant before.
I'm curious. Would Greg Roman be worth pursuing? He seems to LOVE Justin Fields.
Getsy's scheme week 1 was a fireable offense. He better be WAYYYYYYYY better than that on Sunday. I truly believe that Getsy's job is on the line this weekend. Flus and Fields may survive a crapfest but no way Getsy does. I've notice Flus' language toward Getsy has been a bit cool lately. He's definitely on hot seat. Frank Reich is available and he's a more experienced coach and QB guru that Getsy is. Luke was just Aaron Rodgers' personal assistant before.
I'm curious. Would Greg Roman be worth pursuing? He seems to LOVE Justin Fields.
Post by bearsinhouston on Jan 6, 2024 22:25:14 GMT -6
This is not a decision I envy making.
Trade out of first pick and keep Fields - We can get a lot for that first pick, but may lose out on getting Harrison. Of course, I am making the assumption that Harrison is who they would pick. We need lots of talent so getting multiple picks would be really useful However, I will make the argument that for the most part, we have our base talent. Talent that is good enough to win with some infusion of talent and coaching. We were ok (just ok - well maybe below ok) on defense. We saw flashes of production from the D, but they were really not getting it done even though there were some nice plays by guys. Enter Sweat. It transformed the D. My point here is that when you have good talent, you only need the spark to put it over the line. We were good enough that we did not need to overhaul the D. We needed to add a pass rush. I think it is to the point now that one more Sweat type player would elevate the D into a real worry for other teams. maybe a different guy in the center of the D, but I think it's good enough.
Same with the receiving team. I think Harrison added to the WR group, and the rest of the team becomes better there also. As far as the O-line, I have been a critic of Patrick, but strangely he has played well. I still think a stud C is in order. So we have two fairly high picks. We actually could afford to go down a pick or two and still get Harrison. But go below 3 and we risk losing him. If we only drop a few spots do we pick up anything of consequence? Probably. So Harrison and a top rusher. If we traded our second pick along with what we got for getting out of the first pick we could move up enough in that second pick to maybe make that happen. I think C can easily be done then along with some other needs.
As far as Fields goes, he is top notch athlete. I can't remember when we have had a true dual threat. He can put it on a dime and he can scramble as well or better than anyone. We have tried to get someone like him forever. Now we have him and are considering going back to the well. That has not gone very well for us previously. And even if we get the best QB, do we actually develop him or do what we normally do and then end up with a lesser athlete and another stillborn QB. The flip side is that he does not show anticipation. He needs to see the WR opening up. And consistency. I have seen him get more consistent and believe he can get better yet. Can he ever let go of needing to see the WR open? I am not sure. It takes letting go of old habits and real trust. It can happen, but should have seen some of that already. Is he good enough to win? yes. Is he good enough to win a SB? Not without more talent around him. I have seen good but not great QBs win a SB. I think he can too with the right team and he can still grow. Is this the best choice? I don't know. Because I don't know who we would pick and how well Fields will actually progress. Not to mention what we do with QB development (HC and OC)
Retain first pick and get a new QB - Fields only has a few years left at a reasonable rate and then it will be hard to pay everyone that we want. So strike when the iron is hot and take a QB with the first pick? This has not worked well for us in the past. Whether it is due to picking the right QB, or being able to develop a good QB. So we can say that Fields is not a good NFL QB. Because if we say the coaching is the issue, we will do the same to another QB. If the answer is that we will replace the people responsible for developing the QB, well we have done that. So we need to get two things right at the same time. Fix the development issue and also get the right QB. Once we have done that, we have used our top pick. We have one left to enhance the offense or the rush. We can probably help one or the other, but not get a very top player. We will have new coaches, QB and a top 10 pick to fix things. Of course we have other picks, but that will be the tip of the sword.
Which solution is best? Honestly it depends on whether or not Fields can develop to be the QB we need. We won't know that until the first pick of this draft is used up and then it will be too late to use the first pick on a QB (that is if Poles can resist the temptation to trade it anyway for more picks and then pick a lesser QB - which probably does not help anyway)
Tough decision all the way around. As I say, I don't envy this decision
