Shortly after passing his physical on Wednesday, Sweat said he was letting his agents handle contract negotiations and that he would need to account for multiple factors before agreeing to sign an extension with the Bears.
"I think all that goes into play from financial to the people around me to the players in the building, all that type of stuff like that," Sweat said. "I just got here. I'm still trying to figure out where I'm going to lay my head at tonight."
So as of right now. Zero deals in place. This isn't looking good for Poles.
So it is entirely possible that Poles is trading high second round pick to have Sweat here for 9 games. I hope this is a desperate attempt to save his job. If I were Sweat I’d ask Poles to pay me top dollar, or else I’m going free agency and then he will bid against 30 other teams. Brilliant.
It is and with zero talks of a contract extension with JJ. Sweat is in full control. Do we give 20 million a year to a guy who never had 10+ sacks in a season? A pass rusher is far more important than a DB even if the DB is younger. But 20 million for Sweat is well overpaid for a guy in his prime and on a team who isn't going to be competing until 2025.
If there isn't a deal done within a month or so. It will look more and more like a panic move by Poles once again. Didn't draft a WR in 2022 so he went after Claypool. Didn't draft a pass rusher in 2023 and went after Sweat.
He needs to be aggressive in FA. Not at trade deadline. Pace might of made some poor choices in the draft with moving up but at least he had full control over a 4 year rookie deal. This is just sad.
So ESPN is reporting that the Falcons had made an offer for Sweat and they had agreed in principle to extend his contract as part of the trade. Sweat wanted to go to Atlanta because he has family there - he even changed his IG bio to an Atlanta area code earlier in the day.
Then Chicago bowed out on Young and pivoted to Sweat…and Washington took the Bears offer because they believed (rightfully) that the pick was going to be higher in the 2nd round than Atlantas.
I’m sure trading for a guy who wanted to go somewhere else and already had a contract outlined with the team he wanted to go to won’t be a problem at all.
If there isn't a deal done within a month or so. It will look more and more like a panic move by Poles once again. Didn't draft a WR in 2022 so he went after Claypool. Didn't draft a pass rusher in 2023 and went after Sweat.
This ^^^^^ It looks like Poles rolled the dice on Claypool and lost. Now he's rolling the dice again on Sweat. I'm a realist believing that when you hire a very young guy like Poles, he is going to make some mistakes early-on. But you want to see a guy who learns from a mistake and who does not make the same mistake again. I do have a difficult time understanding Poles doing this without some kind of long-term agreement like Atlanta was going to do if Sweat came there. Man, it just seems bat-shit crazy to not do that. But, I'm admittedly a meatball fan here. Maybe I'm missing something. Good player. But wow, not feeling good about how this went down.
If there isn't a deal done within a month or so. It will look more and more like a panic move by Poles once again. Didn't draft a WR in 2022 so he went after Claypool. Didn't draft a pass rusher in 2023 and went after Sweat.
This ^^^^^ It looks like Poles rolled the dice on Claypool and lost. Now he's rolling the dice again on Sweat. I'm a realist believing that when you hire a very young guy like Poles, he is going to make some mistakes early-on. But you want to see a guy who learns from a mistake and who does not make the same mistake again. I do have a difficult time understanding Poles doing this without some kind of long-term agreement like Atlanta was going to do if Sweat came there. Man, it just seems bat-shit crazy to not do that. But, I'm admittedly a meatball fan here. Maybe I'm missing something. Good player. But wow, not feeling good about how this went down.
Was watching CHGO today and they had Brian Baldinger on. Talked about the Sweat deal and of course about the Claypool deal last year.
Baldy pulled no punches. He said the Claypool deal was idiotic, Bears got totally fleeced, and there were a lot of people in the know around the league at the time who knew CC was a total flake and a locker room disaster. Said Pittsburgh was stoked to unload him.
If that's even remotely true, its a terrible indictment of Poles, his scouts, and his staff who didn't have that intel or even know the right people to talk to. Classic example of a rookie GM who doesn't know the ropes yet getting completely taken to the cleaners by a much more professional organization.
So yeah Poles is not getting any benefits of the doubt going forward here. He needs to get Sweat and JJ under contract going forward to earn back some trust.
This ^^^^^ It looks like Poles rolled the dice on Claypool and lost. Now he's rolling the dice again on Sweat. I'm a realist believing that when you hire a very young guy like Poles, he is going to make some mistakes early-on. But you want to see a guy who learns from a mistake and who does not make the same mistake again. I do have a difficult time understanding Poles doing this without some kind of long-term agreement like Atlanta was going to do if Sweat came there. Man, it just seems bat-shit crazy to not do that. But, I'm admittedly a meatball fan here. Maybe I'm missing something. Good player. But wow, not feeling good about how this went down.
Was watching CHGO today and they had Brian Baldinger on. Talked about the Sweat deal and of course about the Claypool deal last year.
Baldy pulled no punches. He said the Claypool deal was idiotic, Bears got totally fleeced, and there were a lot of people in the know around the league at the time who knew CC was a total flake and a locker room disaster. Said Pittsburgh was stoked to unload him.
If that's even remotely true, its a terrible indictment of Poles, his scouts, and his staff who didn't have that intel or even know the right people to talk to. Classic example of a rookie GM who doesn't know the ropes yet getting completely taken to the cleaners by a much more professional organization.
So yeah Poles is not getting any benefits of the doubt going forward here. He needs to get Sweat and JJ under contract going forward to earn back some trust.
+1 It was a panic move when he signed Claypool, and it was a COSTLY mistake. It sounds like the Sweat move is probably a good move if they really do have a contract plan. He sure seems worth a 2nd round draft pick. Again, I chalk this up to hiring a very young (he was 36 years old when we hired him) GM. That's not a "bad" thing. And it may even be a good thing if the guy ascends his learning curve well... and I think he very well may. What some folks don't understand is that with young/new first time GMs, players, coaches - you invest in them and hope for a solid return on that investment. And it's not an exact science as far as folding your cards and taking a loss on your investment. I do know that you don't want to cash in too soon. You want to be sure before you take a loss and move on. This is one reason why I want to watch and see for myself about the Justin Fields investment (a costly investment there too). I want to be sure by watching this last half of the season with him to see if he truly is a failed pick. The season is going nowhere anyway. Why not watch a half-season of QB1 play from this guy and be sure before we fold the cards on him.
Was watching CHGO today and they had Brian Baldinger on. Talked about the Sweat deal and of course about the Claypool deal last year.
Baldy pulled no punches. He said the Claypool deal was idiotic, Bears got totally fleeced, and there were a lot of people in the know around the league at the time who knew CC was a total flake and a locker room disaster. Said Pittsburgh was stoked to unload him.
If that's even remotely true, its a terrible indictment of Poles, his scouts, and his staff who didn't have that intel or even know the right people to talk to. Classic example of a rookie GM who doesn't know the ropes yet getting completely taken to the cleaners by a much more professional organization.
So yeah Poles is not getting any benefits of the doubt going forward here. He needs to get Sweat and JJ under contract going forward to earn back some trust.
+1 It was a panic move when he signed Claypool, and it was a COSTLY mistake. It sounds like the Sweat move is probably a good move if they really do have a contract plan. He sure seems worth a 2nd round draft pick. Again, I chalk this up to hiring a very young (he was 36 years old when we hired him) GM. That's not a "bad" thing. And it may even be a good thing if the guy ascends his learning curve well... and I think he very well may. What some folks don't understand is that with young/new first time GMs, players, coaches - you invest in them and hope for a solid return on that investment. And it's not an exact science as far as folding your cards and taking a loss on your investment. I do know that you don't want to cash in too soon. You want to be sure before you take a loss and move on. This is one reason why I want to watch and see for myself about the Justin Fields investment (a costly investment there too). I want to be sure by watching this last half of the season with him to see if he truly is a failed pick. The season is going nowhere anyway. Why not watch a half-season of QB1 play from this guy and be sure before we fold the cards on him.
Biggs is reporting today that Washington did NOT grant permission for Sweat/agent to discuss contract with Bears (like Poles did with JJ). So obviously they were not overtly trying to deal him or establish his current market value.
Atlanta reportedly offered a 2nd as well but ours is likely to be higher so Washington took it.
IDK, it's really murky right now but Poles needs to get these two deals done or he's an idiot. Sweat is obviously in his long range plans so yeah you're committed to extending him. And if JJ was NOT, he should have traded him. Since they didn't, that means you're committed to extending him too.
+1 It was a panic move when he signed Claypool, and it was a COSTLY mistake. It sounds like the Sweat move is probably a good move if they really do have a contract plan. He sure seems worth a 2nd round draft pick. Again, I chalk this up to hiring a very young (he was 36 years old when we hired him) GM. That's not a "bad" thing. And it may even be a good thing if the guy ascends his learning curve well... and I think he very well may. What some folks don't understand is that with young/new first time GMs, players, coaches - you invest in them and hope for a solid return on that investment. And it's not an exact science as far as folding your cards and taking a loss on your investment. I do know that you don't want to cash in too soon. You want to be sure before you take a loss and move on. This is one reason why I want to watch and see for myself about the Justin Fields investment (a costly investment there too). I want to be sure by watching this last half of the season with him to see if he truly is a failed pick. The season is going nowhere anyway. Why not watch a half-season of QB1 play from this guy and be sure before we fold the cards on him.
Biggs is reporting today that Washington did NOT grant permission for Sweat/agent to discuss contract with Bears (like Poles did with JJ). So obviously they were not overtly trying to deal him or establish his current market value.
Atlanta reportedly offered a 2nd as well but ours is likely to be higher so Washington took it.
IDK, it's really murky right now but Poles needs to get these two deals done or he's an idiot. Sweat is obviously in his long range plans so yeah you're committed to extending him. And if JJ was NOT, he should have traded him. Since they didn't, that means you're committed to extending him too.
+1 I just this minute finished reading that in the Biggs article. Biggs said that Poles has a great relationship with Sweat's agent and I have to wonder if there might have been some interaction there. Yes, you can't do that without Washington's official okay. But this is the real world and I wouldn't be shocked if sometimes things do get communicated behind the scenes. Regardless, it sounds like a deal will get done. Biggs said it could possibly be done before the game on Sunday. What I did find interesting (and VERY interesting) was his take on what the Sweat contract would look like. Here's what he said:
LINK "The fine details aren’t in yet on the extension the Green Bay Packers hammered out with Rashan Gary, but it has been reported to be $96 million over four seasons. Now, how that money adds up is a big question, but I’d use that as a general range for Sweat and four seasons seems about right.
I texted with Jason Fitzgerald, who runs OverTheCap.com, and asked him for a range for a new deal with Sweat. He thought it would land between $24 million and $26 million annually with a total guarantee between about $65 million and $70 million. Of course, the guarantee would be based on the number of years in the contract."
Biggs is reporting today that Washington did NOT grant permission for Sweat/agent to discuss contract with Bears (like Poles did with JJ). So obviously they were not overtly trying to deal him or establish his current market value.
Atlanta reportedly offered a 2nd as well but ours is likely to be higher so Washington took it.
IDK, it's really murky right now but Poles needs to get these two deals done or he's an idiot. Sweat is obviously in his long range plans so yeah you're committed to extending him. And if JJ was NOT, he should have traded him. Since they didn't, that means you're committed to extending him too.
+1 I just this minute finished reading that in the Biggs article. Biggs said that Poles has a great relationship with Sweat's agent and I have to wonder if there might have been some interaction there. Yes, you can't do that without Washington's official okay. But this is the real world and I wouldn't be shocked if sometimes things do get communicated behind the scenes. Regardless, it sounds like a deal will get done. Biggs said it could possibly be done before the game on Sunday. What I did find interesting (and VERY interesting) was his take on what the Sweat contract would look like. Here's what he said:
LINK "The fine details aren’t in yet on the extension the Green Bay Packers hammered out with Rashan Gary, but it has been reported to be $96 million over four seasons. Now, how that money adds up is a big question, but I’d use that as a general range for Sweat and four seasons seems about right.
I texted with Jason Fitzgerald, who runs OverTheCap.com, and asked him for a range for a new deal with Sweat. He thought it would land between $24 million and $26 million annually with a total guarantee between about $65 million and $70 million. Of course, the guarantee would be based on the number of years in the contract."
+1 I just this minute finished reading that in the Biggs article. Biggs said that Poles has a great relationship with Sweat's agent and I have to wonder if there might have been some interaction there. Yes, you can't do that without Washington's official okay. But this is the real world and I wouldn't be shocked if sometimes things do get communicated behind the scenes. Regardless, it sounds like a deal will get done. Biggs said it could possibly be done before the game on Sunday. What I did find interesting (and VERY interesting) was his take on what the Sweat contract would look like. Here's what he said:
Sounds about right. So well north of $20m/yr AAV.
You see that, MOTM?
Even worse. Paying a pass rusher elite money who isn't elite.