Didn't the Bears learn their lesson by trading a second-round pick last year? Montez Sweat is a much better player than Chase Claypool, but the Commanders had to be jumping at the deal to get a 2024 second-round pick (currently projected at No. 35 overall) for a player that's going to be a free agent at season's end.
Poles, whether he's the general manager or not in 2024, set up the Bears with $110 million in salary cap space. Chicago realizes it didn't have to trade a second-round pick (a high one at that) for a player they could have given a massive contract to in free agency, right?
Didn't the Bears learn their lesson by trading a second-round pick last year? Montez Sweat is a much better player than Chase Claypool, but the Commanders had to be jumping at the deal to get a 2024 second-round pick (currently projected at No. 35 overall) for a player that's going to be a free agent at season's end.
Poles, whether he's the general manager or not in 2024, set up the Bears with $110 million in salary cap space. Chicago realizes it didn't have to trade a second-round pick (a high one at that) for a player they could have given a massive contract to in free agency, right?
How do you know? How in da hell could anybody know? Im sure there were other offers on the table
Didn't the Bears learn their lesson by trading a second-round pick last year? Montez Sweat is a much better player than Chase Claypool, but the Commanders had to be jumping at the deal to get a 2024 second-round pick (currently projected at No. 35 overall) for a player that's going to be a free agent at season's end.
Poles, whether he's the general manager or not in 2024, set up the Bears with $110 million in salary cap space. Chicago realizes it didn't have to trade a second-round pick (a high one at that) for a player they could have given a massive contract to in free agency, right?
How do you know? How in da hell could anybody know? Im sure there were other offers on the table
No team seem to offer what the Bears did for him. Who knows. Seems like the Commanders didn't value him as much. Not saying he isn't a great new member just that Young for a low round 3rd is better value. We could of got Young for a high 3rd.
You look at any national article about any of the trades and correct the narratives yourself.
Bears are the only ones who can negotiate with Sweat until they tag him and they are STILL the only ones can (practically speaking) negotiate with Sweat. His production (which they are now guaranteed to have) is greater than the potential of the 2nd round pick. People need to stop overvaluing the potential that a draft pick represents. If they don't extend him (which will be cheaper than the bidding war at the start of next season--but shhhhh we won't mention that) then yes, Poles deserves to be canned. But (and no one is saying this) Sweat is a piece you can build on or at worst not have to worry about obtaining.
I don't think national media actually know anything about football to be truthful, they post knee jerk reactions that drive clicks. (I clicked on the articles, so it works!) Just look at the number of writers celebrating the Vikings trading for Dobbs as their QB while admitting he won't even play this week and most likely not even next week. Vikings didn't save their season, they doomed themselves with their start and would haven been better off trading more of their vet pieces away once Cousins went down. Packers did the right thing, they should have dumped more vets and collected picks. Lions added a low risk WR, well done by them. Washington is going to fire Rivera and retool, they also did the right thing. (Now we'll have to hear post after post about hire Rivera--link to the successful years!!!)
Post by britishbearfan on Nov 1, 2023 9:17:51 GMT -6
My hope is that Poles already has a deal worked out with Sweat. If not, then a high second round pick up does seem a lot for 9 games of control in a lost season plus the ability to use the franchise tag to help negotiate a deal next year (which itself comes at the cost of being able to use that on Johnson).
Didn't the Bears learn their lesson by trading a second-round pick last year? Montez Sweat is a much better player than Chase Claypool, but the Commanders had to be jumping at the deal to get a 2024 second-round pick (currently projected at No. 35 overall) for a player that's going to be a free agent at season's end.
Poles, whether he's the general manager or not in 2024, set up the Bears with $110 million in salary cap space. Chicago realizes it didn't have to trade a second-round pick (a high one at that) for a player they could have given a massive contract to in free agency, right?
The author who wrote this likely lives in his aunt's basement. This is ridiculous.
First of all, other teams reportedly made offers for Sweat--Atlanta at minimum. Secondly, how do you know he wouldn't be extended by Washington? And if he did hit FA, he was gonna get a massive deal (he's having a career year) and would have multiple teams to chose from.
It's not nearly as simple as this guy makes it seem.
Would I have liked to give away a 3rd instead of a 2nd? Sure But pass rushers are HARD TO FIND. Way harder than even WRs. That's why Carolina was willing to part with DJ Moore last offseason but not Brian Burns. Supply and demand is real.
Finally, Dane Brugler was on H&J this week and confirmed what I have already been reading -- this years draft class at edge isn't strong. So you weren't gonna get a guy in the 2nd anywhere near the caliber of Sweat and that's even if that draft pick worked out which most don't.
PS: Oh and one more thing: if Fields plays well enough last 8 games to enact the 5th year option and reload for next season, then you still have 2 high FRPs to work with. If they decide to move on from Fields, you should be able to recoup that 2nd by trading him. Dobbs brought a 5th and Lance brought a 4th so don't tell me Fields wont be worth at least a 3rd -- QBs have inflated value because of obvious reasons.
Didn't the Bears learn their lesson by trading a second-round pick last year? Montez Sweat is a much better player than Chase Claypool, but the Commanders had to be jumping at the deal to get a 2024 second-round pick (currently projected at No. 35 overall) for a player that's going to be a free agent at season's end.
Poles, whether he's the general manager or not in 2024, set up the Bears with $110 million in salary cap space. Chicago realizes it didn't have to trade a second-round pick (a high one at that) for a player they could have given a massive contract to in free agency, right?
The author who wrote this likely lives in his aunt's basement. This is ridiculous.
First of all, other teams reportedly made offers for Sweat--Atlanta at minimum. Secondly, how do you know he wouldn't be extended by Washington? And if he did hit FA, he was gonna get a massive deal (he's having a career year) and would have multiple teams to chose from.
It's not nearly as simple as this guy makes it seem.
Would I have liked to give away a 3rd instead of a 2nd? Sure But pass rushers are HARD TO FIND. Way harder than even WRs. That's why Carolina was willing to part with DJ Moore last offseason but not Brian Burns. Supply and demand is real.
Finally, Dane Brugler was on H&J this week and confirmed what I have already been reading -- this years draft class at edge isn't strong. So you weren't gonna get a guy in the 2nd anywhere near the caliber of Sweat and that's even if that draft pick worked out which most don't.
PS: Oh and one more thing: if Fields plays well enough last 8 games to enact the 5th year option and reload for next season, then you still have 2 high FRPs to work with. If they decide to move on from Fields, you should be able to recoup that 2nd by trading him. Dobbs brought a 5th and Lance brought a 4th so don't tell me Fields wont be worth at least a 3rd -- QBs have inflated value because of obvious reasons.
There is risk here of course, but its not a huge risk. It only becomes an inflated risk when you overvalue the worth of the potential of the 2nd round pick. That 2rd round pick doesn't guarantee you anything other than taking a player at that spot that might/may produce the same or better than Sweat. Chances are whoever is drafted will not produce the same or better than Sweat either at DE/Edge or any other position. The issue with the trade is of course, that the second round pick could have been used on a middle range position (like G or C or S). BUT, now edge/DE has dropped down the list of must fills. IMO this is going to allow Poles or the new GM (which I dont' think is going to happen) to trade down with one of those first rounders because they won't need to draft edge/DE high. On the other hand (and this is what makes football team building so much fun...) Poles/New-guy can stay put and draft the two highest needs on OFF (LT/WR/QB) because they have a good to great edge/DE.
Disregard what the national media says (and those who parrot it here). This is not the same as the Claypool trade and was a good one for Chicago to make. (Totally contingent on extending Sweat of course.)
(Totally contingent on extending Sweat of course.)
That's the key right there. Maybe they have a behind the scenes contract agreement they are going to sign. If they don't then Sweat has some real leverage over the Bears after 9 games. He is no longer under contract at that point and the Bears will have spent a (very high) 2nd round draft pick for 9-games out of this guy. They could franchise tag him to temporarily get more out of him. But if they want to keep him here then the Bears have given Sweat some real contract leverage over them.
How do you know? How in da hell could anybody know? Im sure there were other offers on the table
No team seem to offer what the Bears did for him. Who knows. Seems like the Commanders didn't value him as much. Not saying he isn't a great new member just that Young for a low round 3rd is better value. We could of got Young for a high 3rd.
A high 2nd vs a mid or low 2nd is better, but still the same round. He was getting traded or re signed, what he wasn't doing was hit FA. You and this article have to be joking or looking hard for a reason to bitch.
There are not DE FA's in 2024 better then Sweat, there are no 1st or 2nd rd DE's even looked close to the caliber of Sweat. It's a good trade, anyone thinking otherwise is grasping at reasons to bitch.
The author who wrote this likely lives in his aunt's basement. This is ridiculous.
First of all, other teams reportedly made offers for Sweat--Atlanta at minimum. Secondly, how do you know he wouldn't be extended by Washington? And if he did hit FA, he was gonna get a massive deal (he's having a career year) and would have multiple teams to chose from.
It's not nearly as simple as this guy makes it seem.
Would I have liked to give away a 3rd instead of a 2nd? Sure But pass rushers are HARD TO FIND. Way harder than even WRs. That's why Carolina was willing to part with DJ Moore last offseason but not Brian Burns. Supply and demand is real.
Finally, Dane Brugler was on H&J this week and confirmed what I have already been reading -- this years draft class at edge isn't strong. So you weren't gonna get a guy in the 2nd anywhere near the caliber of Sweat and that's even if that draft pick worked out which most don't.
PS: Oh and one more thing: if Fields plays well enough last 8 games to enact the 5th year option and reload for next season, then you still have 2 high FRPs to work with. If they decide to move on from Fields, you should be able to recoup that 2nd by trading him. Dobbs brought a 5th and Lance brought a 4th so don't tell me Fields wont be worth at least a 3rd -- QBs have inflated value because of obvious reasons.
There is risk here of course, but its not a huge risk. It only becomes an inflated risk when you overvalue the worth of the potential of the 2nd round pick. That 2rd round pick doesn't guarantee you anything other than taking a player at that spot that might/may produce the same or better than Sweat. Chances are whoever is drafted will not produce the same or better than Sweat either at DE/Edge or any other position. The issue with the trade is of course, that the second round pick could have been used on a middle range position (like G or C or S). BUT, now edge/DE has dropped down the list of must fills. IMO this is going to allow Poles or the new GM (which I dont' think is going to happen) to trade down with one of those first rounders because they won't need to draft edge/DE high. On the other hand (and this is what makes football team building so much fun...) Poles/New-guy can stay put and draft the two highest needs on OFF (LT/WR/QB) because they have a good to great edge/DE.
Disregard what the national media says (and those who parrot it here). This is not the same as the Claypool trade and was a good one for Chicago to make. (Totally contingent on extending Sweat of course.)
Reported they are going to work on the extension after he passes his physical today. He's getting signed, my guess is it's already done but they need the physical to pass.