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2nd Sweat or 3rd Chase Nov 2, 2023 10:08:08 GMT -6 JABF, shark86, and 1 more like this

Post by mpbears68 on Nov 2, 2023 10:08:08 GMT -6

MOTM,

BTW, PFF's contract projections for Sweat and JJ are $25m & $19m AAV respectively.

I'm expecting the final results to be low 20s and ~ 18 for Sweat & JJ.

In my mind, getting these two done allows you to focus heavily on O with 1st round picks and remaining cap space.

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2nd Sweat or 3rd Chase Nov 2, 2023 18:16:24 GMT -6 AlexM and riczaj01 like this

Post by butkus3595 on Nov 2, 2023 18:16:24 GMT -6

Nov 1, 2023 21:30:17 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 1, 2023 20:36:59 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Are you talking about Sweat? If the FT number is $20m, then yeah you're paying him that, maybe a bit more. That's a decision you made when you traded for him. He's not a 1/2 season rental for a playoff run. You traded for him for the FUTURE. Pay the man. He's gonna get FT money MINIMUM if he hits FA in March and you knew that before you made the trade.

Not rocket science here. If you believed in him enough to trade for him, then lock him down.

Similar thing with JJ. His value is pretty well set. Just get it done.

I have this scary image in my mind that Poles is surrounded by a bunch of pencil-neck nerds crunching moneyball numbers on spreadsheets. Dude, building a team of young(er) talented players matters. Not pissing off the locker room matters. Putting in a foundation matters.

Those things matter way more than saving a million here or there trying to "stick to your number". Last year was a teardown, I get it. Now you gotta stop letting young talent walk out the door or this rebuild will take 7 years and you be fired long before then. Wake the eff up.

PS: I'm still pissed about passing on Orlando Brown, a 26 yo all-pro LT for $16m AAV last spring. Instead you signed a guard who's missed most of the season. Brilliant move, cheapass.

20 million dollars for a guy who has never hit 10+ sacks in a season? That's top 5 money. Sorry but Sweat is nowhere close to that value. We could of waited to the offseason to overspend on that. The point was to trade him and get a bit below market value for giving up a high second rounder. Poles screwed up and never even talked about his contract before hand. 27 isn't youngsters. That's prime players.

Sweat holds all the cards now. He can hold out and get 20 million from FT or demand top 5 money for the next few years. If Poles wants to keep his job. He's going to have to go with his demands.

This is the same guy who didn't even go after Orlando Brown who was an all-pro LT. The NFL is a passer first league and we rather overspend on a B+ Pass rusher than an A+ LT...

Brown actually TURNED DOWN BIGGER OFFERS to sign with the Bengals...so lets stop with the narrative that we could have gotten Brown. He took less money to sign with the Bengals...thats where he wanted to go.

As for Sweat...I'm not sure if you know this, but defensive ends also need to play the run, and he's one of the best in the league at it. Sweat held all the cards regardless of what team he's on...he's one of the best in the league at his position. Beyond that its been reported that Sweats agents weren't granted permission to negotiate with other teams, so Poles didn't have the ability to reach an agreement prior to the trade. They wouldn't have traded for him if they weren't comfortable signing him to a big deal...and here's another news flash...if he reached free agency they would have had to overpay for him there while competing against other teams, and taking away from the compensatory pick formula. You guys don't have to kill moves just for the sake of killing moves.

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Post by mpbears68 on Nov 3, 2023 17:17:14 GMT -6

Nov 3, 2023 15:25:15 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Nov 3, 2023 15:06:02 GMT -6 Funkytown said:

How in da hell do you FT a guy you dont have under contract?

What?

He's under contract. The Washington contract is traded along with the player. It applies until lapsed or renegotiated.

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Post by brasilbear on Nov 3, 2023 17:37:12 GMT -6

Lombardi, despite having worked in the NFL and around football for his whole life is the Erik Lambert of talking heads. He's the guy who said the Eagles would never win with Doug Pederson as HC and then a few months later they won the SB. Every team he as worked for that has won anything has had a certified genius (like Belichik) in charge. Every team he has run on his own has fired him within 2 years I believe. There are posters here who could do a better job as an NFL-executive type than Lombardi. Every word that comes out of his mouth is wrong.

His one draft for the Cleveland Browns was: Barkevious Mingo LB LSU, Leon McFadden DB San Diego St, Jamoris Slaughter DB Notre Dame, Armonty Bryant DE East Central (OK), Garrett Gilkey T Chadron St.

Today he shills his "football" knowledge for anyone who will have him on a podcast. We could start a podcast here and he'd be available to come on any time we wanted. I believe most cheerleaders at the NFL level have more NFL knowledge that Lombardi. The 17 year olds running most fantasy football leagues would have better draft records than Lombardi.

Best thing about Lombardi? If you find yourself disagreeing with him than you know you are right.

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Post by AlexM on Nov 3, 2023 18:31:31 GMT -6

Nov 3, 2023 17:17:14 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 3, 2023 15:25:15 GMT -6 AlexM said:

How in da hell do you FT a guy you dont have under contract?

What?

He's under contract. The Washington contract is traded along with the player. It applies until lapsed or renegotiated.

Exactly. You think I dont know that? So now that we traded for him, and have him under contract, we can FT him.
I was responding to video above.

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Post by butkus3595 on Nov 3, 2023 19:43:00 GMT -6

Nov 3, 2023 17:37:12 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Lombardi, despite having worked in the NFL and around football for his whole life is the Erik Lambert of talking heads. He's the guy who said the Eagles would never win with Doug Pederson as HC and then a few months later they won the SB. Every team he as worked for that has won anything has had a certified genius (like Belichik) in charge. Every team he has run on his own has fired him within 2 years I believe. There are posters here who could do a better job as an NFL-executive type than Lombardi. Every word that comes out of his mouth is wrong.

His one draft for the Cleveland Browns was: Barkevious Mingo LB LSU, Leon McFadden DB San Diego St, Jamoris Slaughter DB Notre Dame, Armonty Bryant DE East Central (OK), Garrett Gilkey T Chadron St.

Today he shills his "football" knowledge for anyone who will have him on a podcast. We could start a podcast here and he'd be available to come on any time we wanted. I believe most cheerleaders at the NFL level have more NFL knowledge that Lombardi. The 17 year olds running most fantasy football leagues would have better draft records than Lombardi.

Best thing about Lombardi? If you find yourself disagreeing with him than you know you are right.

So you're saying the "dumb hater" should hate himself...

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Post by riczaj01 on Nov 3, 2023 20:33:28 GMT -6

Nov 2, 2023 18:16:24 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Nov 1, 2023 21:30:17 GMT -6 motm said:

20 million dollars for a guy who has never hit 10+ sacks in a season? That's top 5 money. Sorry but Sweat is nowhere close to that value. We could of waited to the offseason to overspend on that. The point was to trade him and get a bit below market value for giving up a high second rounder. Poles screwed up and never even talked about his contract before hand. 27 isn't youngsters. That's prime players.

Sweat holds all the cards now. He can hold out and get 20 million from FT or demand top 5 money for the next few years. If Poles wants to keep his job. He's going to have to go with his demands.

This is the same guy who didn't even go after Orlando Brown who was an all-pro LT. The NFL is a passer first league and we rather overspend on a B+ Pass rusher than an A+ LT...

Brown actually TURNED DOWN BIGGER OFFERS to sign with the Bengals...so lets stop with the narrative that we could have gotten Brown. He took less money to sign with the Bengals...thats where he wanted to go.

As for Sweat...I'm not sure if you know this, but defensive ends also need to play the run, and he's one of the best in the league at it. Sweat held all the cards regardless of what team he's on...he's one of the best in the league at his position. Beyond that its been reported that Sweats agents weren't granted permission to negotiate with other teams, so Poles didn't have the ability to reach an agreement prior to the trade. They wouldn't have traded for him if they weren't comfortable signing him to a big deal...and here's another news flash...if he reached free agency they would have had to overpay for him there while competing against other teams, and taking away from the compensatory pick formula. You guys don't have to kill moves just for the sake of killing moves.

At no point EVER was Sweat hitting FA. DC FT's and re signs him, or the team that trades for him does the same. DE's of that caliber don't reach FA unless there are other issues, health, work ethic issues, personality issues and even some of those are not going to stop teams from trading/re signing them.

This guy is going to get 21-25 aav, and he'll be worth every penny. There is no one in FA that you get like him for less; and you aren't finding him in the 2024 draft in the first, let alone 2nd round. JJ will get FT'd and sign a longterm deal.

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Post by motm on Nov 3, 2023 20:36:24 GMT -6

Nov 3, 2023 20:33:28 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Nov 2, 2023 18:16:24 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Brown actually TURNED DOWN BIGGER OFFERS to sign with the Bengals...so lets stop with the narrative that we could have gotten Brown. He took less money to sign with the Bengals...thats where he wanted to go.

As for Sweat...I'm not sure if you know this, but defensive ends also need to play the run, and he's one of the best in the league at it. Sweat held all the cards regardless of what team he's on...he's one of the best in the league at his position. Beyond that its been reported that Sweats agents weren't granted permission to negotiate with other teams, so Poles didn't have the ability to reach an agreement prior to the trade. They wouldn't have traded for him if they weren't comfortable signing him to a big deal...and here's another news flash...if he reached free agency they would have had to overpay for him there while competing against other teams, and taking away from the compensatory pick formula. You guys don't have to kill moves just for the sake of killing moves.

At no point EVER was Sweat hitting FA. DC FT's and re signs him, or the team that trades for him does the same. DE's of that caliber don't reach FA unless there are other issues, health, work ethic issues, personality issues and even some of those are not going to stop teams from trading/re signing them.

This guy is going to get 21-25 aav, and he'll be worth every penny. There is no one in FA that you get like him for less; and you aren't finding him in the 2024 draft in the first, let alone 2nd round. JJ will get FT'd and sign a longterm deal.

How do you know that? Giving away a second is pretty cheap for a franchise pass rusher.

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