Screw the draft. If Pace trades Cutler try to package a trade for Garopollo. He's the best shot we'd have of not back sliding again. I like Barkley so far but I don't he's ever gonna be more than a good #2. Not enough mobility.
Come on, Paul. You really think Bellichick would give away Garopolo for Cutler and pick or two? ^^ He's smarter than that.
I honestly don't think we could get much for Jay Cutler. He is old, his body is ultra-high mileage, he hasn't played a full NFL season since way back in 2009. And whether it is fair or not, he's not held in high regard around the league. He's a guy who's claim to fame is a strong arm and not much else.
I could be wrong, but I would be shocked if we got much for him in a trade. Heck, I wish we had never traded for him here.
Screw the draft. If Pace trades Cutler try to package a trade for Garopollo. He's the best shot we'd have of not back sliding again. I like Barkley so far but I don't he's ever gonna be more than a good #2. Not enough mobility.
Not for their asking price he's not.
Apparently NE has no real want to trade him, so it's not just 2 1's, it's 2 ones + you and everyone else's best offer.
We did that in the past and it royally f'd the draft, and the Bears didn't get what they wanted in return. I like Jimmy G, but he's played a whopping 3 games, and he's not worth 2 1's +.
OK, I see we're gonna have to do this again just like we did with Cutler and in this case we don't even know what NE is asking yet or willing to accept. It may not be possible but it's no more far fetched than all the draft mockubation going on is it? There is NO option that shouldn't be considered and it never hurts to ask. Everything has it's price.
Look at it this way. It would take a high #1 pick to even think we'd have a shot at a top shelf QB to draft anyway right? So it really becomes one extra #1 and whatever other booty goes along with it just as it did with Cutler. Cutler only cost us one extra #1 and a backup QB we had no use for once we had Cutler. If we'd have drafted Cutler he would have cost us our own #1 anyway right? The swap of picks got us Knox so we gained a bit there.
If Pace is content to draft a QB later than round one and look for other options including keeping Cutler while he does then fine, we can pass on Garopollo. But if he decides to move on from Cutler prior to the draft then before I would draft any of the current prospects I would pursue a trade for Garoppolo because there's far less chance that #1 pick would be wasted again.
Other than possibly Cleveland if you can show me one more NFL whose been worse at drafting QBs than we have bring it. I don't know of one.
Screw the draft. If Pace trades Cutler try to package a trade for Garopollo. He's the best shot we'd have of not back sliding again. I like Barkley so far but I don't he's ever gonna be more than a good #2. Not enough mobility.
Come on, Paul. You really think Bellichick would give away Garopolo for Cutler and pick or two? ^^ He's smarter than that.
I wasn't implying we'd trade Cutler to NE with Josh McDumbski as there OC? Not gonna happen. Cutler would retire first. It's two separate issues.
1) Trade Cutler if you can get fair value.
2) Approach NE about a trade possibly using picks received for Cutler as part of the package.
I don't know how anyone could blame Barkley for the horrendous performance of his WRs the last 2 weeks. There have been at least 10 drops and at least 4 of them were sure fire TDs. That's probably a generous underestimate. I'm talking about passes that an NFL receiver SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT, NO ****ING EXCUSES.
I've despised Josh Bellamy for 2 seasons now and want him gone yesterday. The guy has been a butterfingers his whole time as a Bear. Deonte Thompson can join him in the ride out of town. Even Meredith and Wilson, who actually seem to have some ability, have managed to suck the last 2 weeks at various points.
I'm not saying Barkley is anything other than a depth option for the future. That's probably his ceiling. But he's played impressively well and the fact that he's faced poor defenses has to be balanced in my mind by the fact that he's had very little help from his motley collection of scrub receivers.
One of my buddies has a saying , " hit em in a bad place ... right in the hands " , for these chumps who masquerade as pro WR's . We have a few , and I'm with you , they should have been gone a long time ago . Hopefully our talent level will improve and they'll soon be gone , and we won't have to suffer watching them play anymore .
Apparently NE has no real want to trade him, so it's not just 2 1's, it's 2 ones + you and everyone else's best offer.
We did that in the past and it royally f'd the draft, and the Bears didn't get what they wanted in return. I like Jimmy G, but he's played a whopping 3 games, and he's not worth 2 1's +.
OK, I see we're gonna have to do this again just like we did with Cutler and in this case we don't even know what NE is asking yet or willing to accept. It may not be possible but it's no more far fetched than all the draft mockubation going on is it? There is NO option that shouldn't be considered and it never hurts to ask. Everything has it's price.
Look at it this way. It would take a high #1 pick to even think we'd have a shot at a top shelf QB to draft anyway right? So it really becomes one extra #1 and whatever other booty goes along with it just as it did with Cutler. Cutler only cost us one extra #1 and a backup QB we had no use for once we had Cutler. If we'd have drafted Cutler he would have cost us our own #1 anyway right? The swap of picks got us Knox so we gained a bit there.
If Pace is content to draft a QB later than round one and look for other options including keeping Cutler while he does then fine, we can pass on Garopollo. But if he decides to move on from Cutler prior to the draft then before I would draft any of the current prospects I would pursue a trade for Garoppolo because there's far less chance that #1 pick would be wasted again.
Other than possibly Cleveland if you can show me one more NFL whose been worse at drafting QBs than we have bring it. I don't know of one.
It's already been stated they bare minimum is 2 1sts + extra picks, it's not speculation.
What makes you think Jimmy G is a "top shelf QB" 3 games of the NFL playing in that system?
Come on, Paul. You really think Bellichick would give away Garopolo for Cutler and pick or two? ^^ He's smarter than that.
I honestly don't think we could get much for Jay Cutler. He is old, his body is ultra-high mileage, he hasn't played a full NFL season since way back in 2009. And whether it is fair or not, he's not held in high regard around the league. He's a guy who's claim to fame is a strong arm and not much else.
I could be wrong, but I would be shocked if we got much for him in a trade. Heck, I wish we had never traded for him here.
Cutler is tough, he's always been a fast healer, and if you have any kind of an OL to protect him with his mobility he gets injured less. He's a skilled vet with a winning record when he's played with good teams. If you have a good defense and a decent OL and receivers he'll win games for you. That's the package you present to trade partners.
Sam Bradford isn't anywhere near as good and has been injured as much or more and yet Minny paid a 1st and 4th for him. So I'm not gonna assume that Cutler has no value to any other team, or that he's old for a QB, or that he's fragile which he is not. I don't think any other NFL QB has taken the abuse he has and come back for more.
That alone is why I'd love to see him with a better team but not at our expense. I can't tell you what his value is but I sincerely doubt every HC and every GM in the NFL dislikes him as much as the press would have us believe. The game has always been to report any negatives about him and ignore that positives and it works pretty much like that around here too.
Rich Gannon may be a decent comparison. He struggled with other teams for years then ended up with Oakland at age 34 and resurrected his career including 4 years as a Pro Bowler or All Pro selection. He even took them to a Super Bowl where he threw 5 picks and Oakland got blown out by TB. Sounds like a perfect script for Cutler too. LOLOL
What I'm saying is that 4 games is not enough to evaluate a player, good or bad, and it sure as hell is not enough to be willing to give up multiple high picks.
Not to mention NE is said they aren't really even looking to trade him, so it's all but a moot point to begin with.
OK, I see we're gonna have to do this again just like we did with Cutler and in this case we don't even know what NE is asking yet or willing to accept. It may not be possible but it's no more far fetched than all the draft mockubation going on is it? There is NO option that shouldn't be considered and it never hurts to ask. Everything has it's price.
Look at it this way. It would take a high #1 pick to even think we'd have a shot at a top shelf QB to draft anyway right? So it really becomes one extra #1 and whatever other booty goes along with it just as it did with Cutler. Cutler only cost us one extra #1 and a backup QB we had no use for once we had Cutler. If we'd have drafted Cutler he would have cost us our own #1 anyway right? The swap of picks got us Knox so we gained a bit there.
If Pace is content to draft a QB later than round one and look for other options including keeping Cutler while he does then fine, we can pass on Garopollo. But if he decides to move on from Cutler prior to the draft then before I would draft any of the current prospects I would pursue a trade for Garoppolo because there's far less chance that #1 pick would be wasted again.
Other than possibly Cleveland if you can show me one more NFL whose been worse at drafting QBs than we have bring it. I don't know of one.
It's already been stated they bare minimum is 2 1sts + extra picks, it's not speculation.
What makes you think Jimmy G is a "top shelf QB" 3 games of the NFL playing in that system?
Ric, I have two of my guitars listed for sale right now. Is it possible I'd accept less than my asking price? Yeah, if someone comes along with an offer I can accept. When you go into a dealership to buy a vehicle due you look at the sticker price then nod and reach for your check book? Come on brother you weren't born last night. Asking is not getting.
What makes you think he's not. And what makes you think any other QB in this draft is anymore worth a 1st round pick than he is? At least we've seen what he can do at this level which is more than we'd have on others we'd draft. As you posted yourself you have to look at potential and it would seem to me we have more data on Garoppolo to base a decision on then we do the two or three top draftees.
Now if Pace doesn't see it that way that's another thing in and of itself. I can't know what he see. I can only know what I do and make a logical suggestion based on that. Based on that I'd say Garoppolo is a less speculative choice than the three top prospects two of whom I don't like at all and a third who might not even enter the draft. So playing arm chair GM I prepare for that possibility too. "All options" are on the table just as I said.
And if we don't bother to fix the rest of what's wrong with this team then it won't make any difference what we do at QB. The results will not change and more than likely we'll slide back into second division QB hell again just like we did long ago. You do recall those years too don't you? As tough as it's been Cutler looks like a Godsend compared to that. At least with him you know the team has a chance of winning if he doesn't give the ball away more than once or twice. Most of the rest including Hoyer couldn't win even if the played a perfect game with zero turnovers because they were no threat to anyone.
I'll be plain and speak my mind. If we dump Cutler and go back to that you can have this team and all the grief that goes with it. I'm done until they hire some football people to run who know more about the game than those who are now.
What I'm saying is that 4 games is not enough to evaluate a player, good or bad, and it sure as hell is not enough to be willing to give up multiple high picks.
Not to mention NE is said they aren't really even looking to trade him, so it's all but a moot point to begin with.
That part may well be true. To be honest with Brady reaching age 40 I think they'd be foolish to trade him so it may well be a moot point. But it isn't at the moment.
You not only have four more pro games to evaluate him on than you do with a draftee but you also have all of their college careers to base an evaluation on as well. You also have the kind of coaching and development he's had in NE. That costs something Ric. You don't get that for nothing like you do with a rookie. So yeah a vet, even one with little game experience, will cost you more provided he's a top pro prospect. It's the way it works.
The Sox just traded one of the best pitchers in baseball for some minor league prospects who haven't played more than a handful of games of MLB because that's the way that works. Even with relatively little pro game experience Garoppolo is more of a know quantity than any unknown draft pick and if that's what you want to pay for it.
It's also exactly why I keep saying to simply release Cutler for nothing in return is dumb. No matter what you think of him you aren't 31 NFL GMs or HCs and to some of them he does have a value. So much like NE find out who values him the most IF you decide to make a trade. It all work pretty much the same way and value is a relative sum not an absolute. Asking price is not market value either. That's only determined when the deal is done.