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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 16, 2023 19:37:49 GMT -6 AlexM, riczaj01, and 2 more like this

Post by JABF on Mar 16, 2023 19:37:49 GMT -6

He said this is when he'll deal with re-signing our own players. It sure feels like he is relentlessly moving forward working the plan. Organized. Listening to him he sure sounds like a sharp football exec. Loved his presser today.

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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 17, 2023 7:15:24 GMT -6 AlexM, bears40, and 2 more like this

Post by JABF on Mar 17, 2023 7:15:24 GMT -6

I'll be the first to admit that I have no clue as to how this cap works now in the NFL. It almost seems like voodoo to me at times how teams manipulate it. But in my simple mind I'm thinking we have a great front office now that will manage the cap in a way that we can afford to keep our best ascending young players - and not have to jettison players like we are seeing now across the league. I like what I am seeing here in Chicago with the Bears now.

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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 17, 2023 7:33:42 GMT -6 via mobile AlexM, JABF, and 5 more like this

Post by weneedmorelinemen on Mar 17, 2023 7:33:42 GMT -6

I like what Poles is doing too. But I liked Pace and Nagy in 2018. I guess what I am trying to say is he can be organized and efficient, but if his picks don't hit enough, he will be thrown out on his head just like the rest of them.

I think his chances of turning this boat around are better since he didn't come in with the "Win now while rebuilding" mindset. Tanking and getting rid of all the high cap players for picks is going to give him a better foundation to build a great team.

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Post by AlexM on Mar 17, 2023 9:33:28 GMT -6

Mar 17, 2023 7:33:42 GMT -6 weneedmorelinemen said:

I like what Poles is doing too. But I liked Pace and Nagy in 2018. I guess what I am trying to say is he can be organized and efficient, but if his picks don't hit enough, he will be thrown out on his head just like the rest of them.

I think his chances of turning this boat around are better since he didn't come in with the "Win now while rebuilding" mindset. Tanking and getting rid of all the high cap players for picks is going to give him a better foundation to build a great team.

Amen to that

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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 17, 2023 13:00:40 GMT -6 weneedmorelinemen likes this

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Mar 17, 2023 7:33:42 GMT -6 weneedmorelinemen said:

I like what Poles is doing too. But I liked Pace and Nagy in 2018. I guess what I am trying to say is he can be organized and efficient, but if his picks don't hit enough, he will be thrown out on his head just like the rest of them.

I think his chances of turning this boat around are better since he didn't come in with the "Win now while rebuilding" mindset. Tanking and getting rid of all the high cap players for picks is going to give him a better foundation to build a great team.

Well Pace looked like a deer caught in the headlights and did things that harmed this franchise (like trading away draft picks).

We shall see what happens with the FA, The Draft, and the UDFA this year.

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Post by britishbearfan on Mar 18, 2023 3:16:40 GMT -6

The difference between Poles and Pace is that Poles has been very good so far, in my view at least, of making the tough decision that works well over a longer term horizon. Pace never seemed to do that and time after time got caught in a desperate position where there were no good options other than borrowing from the future to pay for today. In the end it caught up with him. Poles only needs to bat 500 in the draft and free agency because he has set himself up well. I reckon if Pace had been able to do the same he would have a successful GM because I always get he was pretty decent at some parts of the job like identifying talent. Bad sadly he never took the tough decisions that were needed. And here we are.

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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 18, 2023 4:36:48 GMT -6 AlexM, shark86, and 2 more like this

Post by bearfacts on Mar 18, 2023 4:36:48 GMT -6

Mar 17, 2023 7:15:24 GMT -6 JABF said:

I'll be the first to admit that I have no clue as to how this cap works now in the NFL. It almost seems like voodoo to me at times how teams manipulate it. But in my simple mind I'm thinking we have a great front office now that will manage the cap in a way that we can afford to keep our best ascending young players - and not have to jettison players like we are seeing now across the league. I like what I am seeing here in Chicago with the Bears now.

One reason we may seeing a more sane approach to cap management is that I believe Cliff Stein is once again involved as he was before Ryan Pace brought in his own guy in Joey Laine. When Stein was more involved as I recall the Bears focused more on the retention of their own top vets. The way Poles and his staff are going about their business tends to reflect that again.

With few exceptions players are being signed to shorter term deals for less money and in many instances 1 year prove yourself deals. This makes it much easier to simply walk away from those who haven't earned longer term deals. Guys like Byron Pringle who was a priority FA last year aren't being offered a new deal. These who have earned one like Khari Blasingame for one example have been retained.

We were never in "cap hell" under Cliff Stein. We were in it or at least approaching it under Ryan Pace who was already there when he took over thanks to Phil Emery. What I see now is a team whose going back to planning on who they will offer extensions to and for how long and how much. We'll see more sound economics and a front office not afraid to let a player go to FA if the value isn't there.

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Mar 18, 2023 3:16:40 GMT -6 britishbearfan said:

The difference between Poles and Pace is that Poles has been very good so far, in my view at least, of making the tough decision that works well over a longer term horizon. Pace never seemed to do that and time after time got caught in a desperate position where there were no good options other than borrowing from the future to pay for today. In the end it caught up with him. Poles only needs to bat 500 in the draft and free agency because he has set himself up well. I reckon if Pace had been able to do the same he would have a successful GM because I always get he was pretty decent at some parts of the job like identifying talent. Bad sadly he never took the tough decisions that were needed. And here we are.

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That's a great way to describe it. Poles has a plan and seems to be disciplined enough to stick to it. He endured an extremely tough 2022 soft-tank season, in order to set the table for financial stability and a boatload of draft picks for a total rebuild. I figure us fans are not always going to like Poles decisions, but he is often going to do what is best instead of what is popular. Pace didn't have that discipline and the consequences of that just killed our team. Eventually we had pitiful talent, no cap money, draft days had us with only a handful of draft picks - and old under-performing players.

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Mar 18, 2023 4:36:48 GMT -6 bearfacts said:

Mar 17, 2023 7:15:24 GMT -6 JABF said:

I'll be the first to admit that I have no clue as to how this cap works now in the NFL. It almost seems like voodoo to me at times how teams manipulate it. But in my simple mind I'm thinking we have a great front office now that will manage the cap in a way that we can afford to keep our best ascending young players - and not have to jettison players like we are seeing now across the league. I like what I am seeing here in Chicago with the Bears now.

One reason we may seeing a more sane approach to cap management is that I believe Cliff Stein is once again involved as he was before Ryan Pace brought in his own guy in Joey Laine. When Stein was more involved as I recall the Bears focused more on the retention of their own top vets. The way Poles and his staff are going about their business tends to reflect that again.

With few exceptions players are being signed to shorter term deals for less money and in many instances 1 year prove yourself deals. This makes it much easier to simply walk away from those who haven't earned longer term deals. Guys like Byron Pringle who was a priority FA last year aren't being offered a new deal. These who have earned one like Khari Blasingame for one example have been retained.

We were never in "cap hell" under Cliff Stein. We were in it or at least approaching it under Ryan Pace who was already there when he took over thanks to Phil Emery. What I see now is a team whose going back to planning on who they will offer extensions to and for how long and how much. We'll see more sound economics and a front office not afraid to let a player go to FA if the value isn't there.

I agree. And Poles will extend good veterans within the team budget. If a player wants more money that the Bears feel he is worth to the Bears, then they will be disciplined enough to let that player go. As fans we often think it's just a bit of overpay for players, but the cumulative effect of not living within a budget hurts the future of the team. Of course the key will be keeping a healthy inflow of quality draft talent to backfill for players leaving. The stronger that inflow, the better to sustain long-term winning here. I know that seems like football 101 stuff, but so many Bears teams have failed to do it. It sounds like Poles (with Cunningham) have installed a great infrastructure to support player evaluation now. Poles seems to be a thoughtful guy. More planning and discipline than being reactionary and emotional. Definitely a more delayed gratification guy, willing to take a longer term perspective of things. LOL, of course that is a polar-opposite to most fans who - want it all, and want it now :-)

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Poles: Serious Bears extension talks July/Aug Mar 18, 2023 7:31:37 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Mar 18, 2023 7:31:37 GMT -6

Mar 18, 2023 7:03:31 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 18, 2023 4:36:48 GMT -6 bearfacts said:

One reason we may seeing a more sane approach to cap management is that I believe Cliff Stein is once again involved as he was before Ryan Pace brought in his own guy in Joey Laine. When Stein was more involved as I recall the Bears focused more on the retention of their own top vets. The way Poles and his staff are going about their business tends to reflect that again.

With few exceptions players are being signed to shorter term deals for less money and in many instances 1 year prove yourself deals. This makes it much easier to simply walk away from those who haven't earned longer term deals. Guys like Byron Pringle who was a priority FA last year aren't being offered a new deal. These who have earned one like Khari Blasingame for one example have been retained.

We were never in "cap hell" under Cliff Stein. We were in it or at least approaching it under Ryan Pace who was already there when he took over thanks to Phil Emery. What I see now is a team whose going back to planning on who they will offer extensions to and for how long and how much. We'll see more sound economics and a front office not afraid to let a player go to FA if the value isn't there.

I agree. And Poles will extend good veterans within the team budget. If a player wants more money that the Bears feel he is worth to the Bears, then they will be disciplined enough to let that player go. As fans we often think it's just a bit of overpay for players, but the cumulative effect of not living within a budget hurts the future of the team. Of course the key will be keeping a healthy inflow of quality draft talent to backfill for players leaving. The stronger that inflow, the better to sustain long-term winning here. I know that seems like football 101 stuff, but so many Bears teams have failed to do it. It sounds like Poles (with Cunningham) have installed a great infrastructure to support player evaluation now. Poles seems to be a thoughtful guy. More planning and discipline than being reactionary and emotional. Definitely a more delayed gratification guy, willing to take a longer term perspective of things. LOL, of course that is a polar-opposite to most fans who - want it all, and want it now :-)

Take Monty as an example. Lions are paying him $6 million, and the Bears are paying Foreman $3 million. That’s a 50% savings. Poles doesn’t care about the market value Roquan or Monty has for other teams. Don’t expect any Bear to get an extension, unless he agrees to play for the $$$ value Poles assigns to that position, which may be considerably less than what the guy can get in the open market.

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