The Seahawks will take Anderson or Carter (whichever one the Bears don’t take).
You are never going to get either of these future superstars in this draft class, if you trade down to 6-8. However, if they do trade down, they should draft WR. But if they go strict BPA, it might be Murphy there.
Houston will take Young at #1, and will have a choice of good players at #13. No reason to trade up with the Bears.
The upcoming game between the Rams and Broncos could decide whether Seahawks are #3 or #4. If they are #4 and want Stroud, then they might trade with the Bears to get ahead of the Rams, assuming Goff is not the long-term QB for the Lions. That could give us an extra shot at a WR.
The math changes every week as the draft positions change. I hope if the Bears do trade down, they get the haul people are expecting.
So, I have a question for all you trade down enthusiasts, “Who was the Super Bowl MVP in 2015? Von Miller. Or when Bears won Super Bowl? Richard Dent.
Will Anderson compares favorably with Von Miller. When the Bears get to the Super Bowl in a couple years (we all hope), I can see him as taking over the game like Miller and Dent did.
Carter is also going to be a very disruptive force in the middle. Compares to J.J. Watt physically. He is going to get even better with NFL experience. These kinds of interior tackles, like Watt and Donald, can also take over the game.
If the Bears and Seahawks see these guys as that type of dominant force, it is going to take one hell of a package from the team trading up….at least as much as the Trey Lance deal. I guess it is possible, but I will be delighted to get either of these future superstars.
The math changes every week as the draft positions change. I hope if the Bears do trade down, they get the haul people are expecting.
So, I have a question for all you trade down enthusiasts, “Who was the Super Bowl MVP in 2015? Von Miller. Or when Bears won Super Bowl? Richard Dent.
Will Anderson compares favorably with Von Miller. When the Bears get to the Super Bowl in a couple years (we all hope), I can see him as taking over the game like Miller and Dent did.
Carter is also going to be a very disruptive force in the middle. Compares to J.J. Watt physically. He is going to get even better with NFL experience. These kinds of interior tackles, like Watt and Donald, can also take over the game.
If the Bears and Seahawks see these guys as that type of dominant force, it is going to take one hell of a package from the team trading up….at least as much as the Trey Lance deal. I guess it is possible, but I will be delighted to get either of these future superstars.
I'm trying to balance getting the "generational" player or trading down and getting several prospects on day 1 and 2 to fill multiple holes. I would be happy with Anderson, I'm still out on Carter. We'll see what happens.
If I decide to take Anderson its not because since SB-XX there have been 2 edge rushers who were named MVP. After all, two of the last 4 SB MVPs were WRs and I'm not taking a WR at #2. I'm deciding to take Anderson because he's the player that gives me the best chance at flipping the story about the Bears' DEF.
So, I have a question for all you trade down enthusiasts, “Who was the Super Bowl MVP in 2015? Von Miller. Or when Bears won Super Bowl? Richard Dent.
Will Anderson compares favorably with Von Miller. When the Bears get to the Super Bowl in a couple years (we all hope), I can see him as taking over the game like Miller and Dent did.
Carter is also going to be a very disruptive force in the middle. Compares to J.J. Watt physically. He is going to get even better with NFL experience. These kinds of interior tackles, like Watt and Donald, can also take over the game.
If the Bears and Seahawks see these guys as that type of dominant force, it is going to take one hell of a package from the team trading up….at least as much as the Trey Lance deal. I guess it is possible, but I will be delighted to get either of these future superstars.
I'm trying to balance getting the "generational" player or trading down and getting several prospects on day 1 and 2 to fill multiple holes. I would be happy with Anderson, I'm still out on Carter. We'll see what happens.
If I decide to take Anderson its not because since SB-XX there have been 2 edge rushers who were named MVP. After all, two of the last 4 SB MVPs were WRs and I'm not taking a WR at #2. I'm deciding to take Anderson because he's the player that gives me the best chance at flipping the story about the Bears' DEF.
Okay, but is there a WR in this draft class that you can see as a future SB MVP? I have seen Johnston, and he is not nearly good enough to do what Kupp does. He might improve has route tree, but I wouldn't bet the #2 pick on it! Tony Dungy (essentially) said we should take Anderson. I would bet Seattle would take Carter, so maybe we only get Anderson if the Bears are drafting #3. Eberflus is hungry of a 3-tech guy for his defense, so I am almost expecting him to also take Carter at #2.
I'm trying to balance getting the "generational" player or trading down and getting several prospects on day 1 and 2 to fill multiple holes. I would be happy with Anderson, I'm still out on Carter. We'll see what happens.
If I decide to take Anderson its not because since SB-XX there have been 2 edge rushers who were named MVP. After all, two of the last 4 SB MVPs were WRs and I'm not taking a WR at #2. I'm deciding to take Anderson because he's the player that gives me the best chance at flipping the story about the Bears' DEF.
Okay, but is there a WR in this draft class that you can see as a future SB MVP? I have seen Johnston, and he is not nearly good enough to do what Kupp does. He might improve has route tree, but I wouldn't bet the #2 pick on it! Tony Dungy (essentially) said we should take Anderson. I would bet Seattle would take Carter, so maybe we only get Anderson if the Bears are drafting #3. Eberflus is hungry of a 3-tech guy for his defense, so I am almost expecting him to also take Carter at #2.
The DEF needs a 3-technique, so that would be Carter. They have a terrible pass rush right now, thats Anderson. Either one would be a great pick.
Now balance that with the need for a C, at least 1 G, an OT (or two)(L or R or both even--I'm not impressed with Jones as much as others are.) A #1 WR and a #2B, another TE and then depth. DEF needs at least 3 pieces on the DL (DT/DE), and LBs at least. PLus depth and now maybe a new K. None of those guys are going to be picked on day 1 or even day 2, and some of those slots will be filled in FA.
If in Poles mind Anderson or Carter are worth the picks he would gain in a trade down, then pick Anderson or Carter. If not, if the holes are too many, trade down.
Okay, but is there a WR in this draft class that you can see as a future SB MVP? I have seen Johnston, and he is not nearly good enough to do what Kupp does. He might improve has route tree, but I wouldn't bet the #2 pick on it! Tony Dungy (essentially) said we should take Anderson. I would bet Seattle would take Carter, so maybe we only get Anderson if the Bears are drafting #3. Eberflus is hungry of a 3-tech guy for his defense, so I am almost expecting him to also take Carter at #2.
The DEF needs a 3-technique, so that would be Carter. They have a terrible pass rush right now, thats Anderson. Either one would be a great pick.
Now balance that with the need for a C, at least 1 G, an OT (or two)(L or R or both even--I'm not impressed with Jones as much as others are.) A #1 WR and a #2B, another TE and then depth. DEF needs at least 3 pieces on the DL (DT/DE), and LBs at least. PLus depth and now maybe a new K. None of those guys are going to be picked on day 1 or even day 2, and some of those slots will be filled in FA.
If in Poles mind Anderson or Carter are worth the picks he would gain in a trade down, then pick Anderson or Carter. If not, if the holes are too many, trade down.
Glad its not my decision.
The QB draft class for 2024 is considered stronger than the 2023 class. So it is quite possible that none of the teams in the 5-8 range value Stroud, Levis, Richardson, etc. highly enough to offer the "haul" that the trade down advocates envision. They will wait and take their shot in 2024. I have seen all these QBs, and they all have some obvious flaws. Stroud, for example, gets rattled under pressure. I would worry that might carry over to the NFL. Rumor now is that he might drop lower. If so, even if one of these teams would like to have him, they may gamble that he will fall to them on draft night. I can think of 3-4 reasons Poles will not trade down; whereas, about the same number of things will have to fall in place for it to happen. That is why, historically, it does NOT happen as frequently as it does.
Okay, but is there a WR in this draft class that you can see as a future SB MVP? I have seen Johnston, and he is not nearly good enough to do what Kupp does. He might improve has route tree, but I wouldn't bet the #2 pick on it! Tony Dungy (essentially) said we should take Anderson. I would bet Seattle would take Carter, so maybe we only get Anderson if the Bears are drafting #3. Eberflus is hungry of a 3-tech guy for his defense, so I am almost expecting him to also take Carter at #2.
The DEF needs a 3-technique, so that would be Carter. They have a terrible pass rush right now, thats Anderson. Either one would be a great pick.
Now balance that with the need for a C, at least 1 G, an OT (or two)(L or R or both even--I'm not impressed with Jones as much as others are.) A #1 WR and a #2B, another TE and then depth. DEF needs at least 3 pieces on the DL (DT/DE), and LBs at least. PLus depth and now maybe a new K. None of those guys are going to be picked on day 1 or even day 2, and some of those slots will be filled in FA.
If in Poles mind Anderson or Carter are worth the picks he would gain in a trade down, then pick Anderson or Carter. If not, if the holes are too many, trade down.
Glad it’s not my decision.
Glad it’s not mine either. Being we have potentially a generational QB already, I wouldn’t trade down when we have the opportunity to get one on the defense as well.
So you can't explain it. Got it. And why are you so friggen worked up about something that hasn't happened yet and you have no friggen clue will happen? Just admit it, Poles can't do anything that will make you happy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't for you. Do you get miserable like this with everything when you think something...or is this just a Bears thing. Either way, you must be a joy at parties.
We all get worked up here about the Bears, over different stuff. We don't all agree on how best to fix the team. And that's okay. LOL, Ric has strong views, but so do a number of the guys here - me included. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything here.
So you can't explain it. Got it. And why are you so friggen worked up about something that hasn't happened yet and you have no friggen clue will happen? Just admit it, Poles can't do anything that will make you happy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't for you. Do you get miserable like this with everything when you think something...or is this just a Bears thing. Either way, you must be a joy at parties.
so you have no reading comprehension got it. see how that works? so easy. thanks for the not conversation.
You didn't provide a conversation, so my reading comprehension really isn't an issue. Forgive me if I have trouble wrapping my feeble brain around the idea that signing a guys like Egelton Jenkins, Ethan Pocic, Mike McGlinchley, Jakobi Meyers, and JuJu Smith Schuster = "punting on the offense". If you ask me thats 3 starting lineman who would be amongst the best in the league at their positions, one receiver who runs great routes and does a lot of dirty work and is productive, and another one who can be productive when healthy. Put Fields behind an o-line that goes Jones - Jenkins - Pocic - Jenkins - McGlinchley, or Jones - Whitehair - Pocic - Jenkins - Jenkins, with a receiving corp of Mooney, Claypool, Meyers/JuJu and a draft pick and its night and day better than what we have right now.
You also compare Poles/Flus with Lovie/Angelo...without much to go off of. Well if that comparison does end up being accurate, do you know what Lovie/Angelo did in their second draft? They drafted 4 straight offensive players. Throughout their tenure they also drafted a lot of offensive lineman and receivers in their first 3 picks routinely.
Braxton Jones grading better than Chiefs Orlando Brown. Unless Jones or Brown can excel at RT, then not much sense in going after Brown.
DEC 7, 2022 1:12 AM EST Braxton Jones Makes a Rookie Statement
Analysis: The rookie performance of Bears left tackle Braxton Jones makes it easier for them to spend free agency money at another position. BY GENE CHAMBERLAIN
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Of all the Bears rookies, Braxton Jones has been the biggest surprise.
He's been good enough to make it unclear whether they need an upgrade in free agency, even though they have $115 million for free agency and can afford one.
"The maturity level, No. 1, for a rookie to be able to play that tackle position the entire year and his ability to run block, pass block," Bears coach Matt Eberflus said of Jones' performance. "Does he need to improve? Sure. All the rookies need to improve. Everyone needs to get better.
"But he's improving. He's getting better. He's showing his maturity."
Using PFF's system because it is easily the best independent grading for offensive linemen, Jones has a 74.0 grade on the year. It puts him 20th among tackles, left side or right side. So that's basically right around top 10 at his position.
Jones' game Sunday was typical. He had the highest grade of all Bears linemen (78.3), including 79.3 pass blocking. It's pass blocking where he had been weaker this year. But he had high marks either way. He had 75.2 as a run blocker.
He has allowed 33 pressures this year, which sounds like a lot. It isn't ideal, but consider this: The top left tackle in the marketplace for 2023 free agency according to PFF is Kansas City left tackle Orlando Brown, who has allowed 39 pressures.
Brown is a player who logically could have been of interest to the Bears, partly because of his Kansas City ties and GM Ryan Poles' past with the Chiefs. However, he's graded well behind Jones at 35th overall, and far worse as a run blocker. The Bears, after all, have a run-oriented offense.
It's far better to have a fifth-round draft pick who is on his first contract playing left tackle and doing it well enough to stay there than it is to pay gobs of cash for a free agent left tackle who, during a contract year, is having trouble producing better than the Bears rookie.
The answer might be somewhere in between, like signing a mid-level free agent to be a swing tackle in case Jones doesn't continue to improve, or just keeping Riley Reiff around as a swing tackle with Alex Leatherwood.
The truth is, if Jones merely maintains his rookie level next year, he wouldn't need to improve much, if at all. The natural progression from experience could take care of this.
The Bears could focus most of their money in free agency instead on receiver or the defensive line.
They have real problems in both groups they need to resolve, and those are far more cut and dried than the issue at left tackle looks to be thanks to Jones.
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Post by brasilbear on Dec 22, 2022 12:34:44 GMT -6
Only thing i would argue in response to that article is that if they still aren't sure about Jones they need to sign or draft another OT. We love our 3rd day draft picks here in Chicago, especially OTs. But they better not settle for...good enough.