Post by GrizzlyBear on Nov 14, 2016 7:45:51 GMT -6
We have enough threads about the Bears' front office, Cutler vs. rookie QB, tanking vs. no tanking etc...
We're almost two years into the new regime and we still suck. We keep getting embarrassed by average teams even though our roster is supposed to be "better" than last year and the year before.
We're 8-17 under Fox.
Of course Fox & Loggains are not responsible for the turnovers on the field, but do they really have a long-term plan? Do they look like they have a clue? You all know how I feel about the McCaskeys and Ted and I wish we could fire them as well. However this might be more difficult than we think.
Imo we need to fire Fox and almost the entire coaching staff at the end of the year, start over and let Pace choose HIS guy. Fox wasn't.
Alright, let's hear it.
It's a simple question. Do you think Coach Fox has a future here?
Actually, fox was pace's guy. I don't know how much "input" he got from ownership, but Pace picked him. Pace should fire him. He is going through the motions and collecting a paycheck and hitting all the bars on the way to the bank. You can ask anyone living in bourbonais where he spent most of his time in training camp...the bars. Like Lance Briggs and Julius peppers, he mailed it in. Make Fangio head coach, fire fox, keep magazu. Clean house other than that.
Actually, fox was pace's guy. I don't know how much "input" he got from ownership, but Pace picked him. Pace should fire him. He is going through the motions and collecting a paycheck and hitting all the bars on the way to the bank. You can ask anyone living in bourbonais where he spent most of his time in training camp...the bars. Like Lance Briggs and Julius peppers, he mailed it in. Make Fangio head coach, fire fox, keep magazu. Clean house other than that.
If that is the case, then he should be fired.. Maybe he will 'retire
Actually, fox was pace's guy. I don't know how much "input" he got from ownership, but Pace picked him. Pace should fire him. He is going through the motions and collecting a paycheck and hitting all the bars on the way to the bank. You can ask anyone living in bourbonais where he spent most of his time in training camp...the bars. Like Lance Briggs and Julius peppers, he mailed it in. Make Fangio head coach, fire fox, keep magazu. Clean house other than that.
I can't find the article anymore, but I remember how they said that Pace wanted Bowles and George and Ted pressured him to take the more experienced candidate. Not saying I'm right, though.
Despite the complication involved with his staff and all the rest, and the significant cost of paying off his deal, I think if we want to improve it has to be done. Only one HC in Bear history has a worse W/L percentage and that we Abe Gibron back in the early '70s with Bobby Douglass as his QB and never to be remembered RB like Joe Moore, James Harrison, and Don Shy. Fox has easily twice the talent Abe ever had and more than Trestman who had a better W/L record than Fox does now.
So just how does this represent progress? It doesn't.
I really don't think Fox has a clue of how to build this team. Cutler seemed to get them fired up before the Viking game with a "do it for yourself" pre-game speech and despite the injuries to the OL they blocked well and gave him time to throw. Against a much worse defense yesterday they couldn't do the same. Why?
While Cutler's inconsistency has always been frustrating it still doesn't fully explain why this team is still playing preseason level football in their 9th game of the season looking totally unprepared and once again running a predictable and sloppy offense. "We just didn't play very well" quote from Cutler and Fox don't cut it. So again, why?
Pace has turned over nearly the entire roster and provided far better talent defensively than we had under Trestman and added a bit to the offense as well. Cutler's failures are bizarre and for me unexplained at times but even those are fa from the only problems we've seen and in most cases not even the biggest ones.
Even the best QBs in the NFL couldn't win in the midst of this mess so no, I don't believe even a competent could have won that game yesterday. There were too many other things going wrong besides key injuries which only put more pressure on both sides of the ball. The "next men up" aren't getting up at all so when someone says it's a lack of depth I say we have depth they just aren't prepared to play is all.
The only coordinator and his staff that are doing their level best to make due and show up to at least offer some resistance each week is Fangio and his defensive staff. He's been fielding a top 15 defense with half a team of backups and if the offense wasn't leaving them on the field so much they'd be ranked even higher than that.
So like I said in my own thread. It's time to peel the onion and the first layer is gonna have to be peeling away Fox. I don't care how much talent Pace gives him we are not gonna win with this guy coaching and that is my best and final answer.
Pace has turned over nearly the entire roster and provided far better talent defensively than we had under Trestman and added a bit to the offense as well. Cutler's failures are bizarre and for me unexplained at times but even those are fa from the only problems we've seen and in most cases not even the biggest ones.
^^^This right there.
IMO not only was Marc Trestman the worst HC in Bears history, the 2014 season was the most embarrassing and awful one ever. (Keep in mind I'm "only" 27 lol)
Even though Pace has made some very questionable moves (Forte, Marshall, Bennett & Gould), he's upgraded the defense, drafted a damn fine RB and fixed our OL.
We seem to have more talent now than we did under Trestman, yet he was able to win more games. He did more with less. That's unacceptable.
I wish Fox was the answer but he clearly isn't. And remember, I didn't want Fox from the beginning. I wanted Quinn (and Kyle Shanahan as OC) and people told me that getting a veteran with playoff experience was a smart and wise thing to do. I beg to differ.
I didn't know a lot about Fox before the hire other than his record of having great teams in his second year. I knew he had some good teams but never really looked in depth very far. After him being here I haven't been impressed. I don't really care for how he handles anything and I'm tired of hearing him answer the media.