I think what's throwing me through a loop is: Dead Money & Cap Savings $10,333,334 —($3,666,668) pre6/1cut $ 7,666,666 — ($1,000,000) post6/1cut
So the team would owe him either $10.3M (or $7.6M) and be on the hook for $3.6M (or $1M) in cap?
The total dead cap is the same. If a team designates a player as "post-June 1 cut", then they can spread that year's dead cap hit over 2 years.
It's merely accounting--you pay the piper (the dead cap) one way or another.
It's coming together, my mind is working slow tonight.
Personally, I want him gone. Anyone can argue the value, but I'd rather trade a late round draft pick for Gardner Minshew and dump Foles from the roster.
The total dead cap is the same. If a team designates a player as "post-June 1 cut", then they can spread that year's dead cap hit over 2 years.
It's merely accounting--you pay the piper (the dead cap) one way or another.
It's coming together, my mind is working slow tonight.
Personally, I want him gone. Anyone can argue the value, but I'd rather trade a late round draft pick for Gardner Minshew and dump Foles from the roster.
The figures in parenthesis are cap savings for that year. Note that : $3,666,668 + 7,666,666 = 10,333,334 + 1,000,000
The total dead cap is the same. If a team designates a player as "post-June 1 cut", then they can spread that year's dead cap hit over 2 years.
It's merely accounting--you pay the piper (the dead cap) one way or another.
It's coming together, my mind is working slow tonight.
Personally, I want him gone. Anyone can argue the value, but I'd rather trade a late round draft pick for Gardner Minshew and dump Foles from the roster.
So I know I'm crazy, but this is how I'd remake the QB room... Sign Tyrod Taylor, try to trade a 6th (no higher than a 5th) round pick for Minshew, and draft a QB within the top 2 rounds.
Just get rid of Foles, eat his contract and move on.
Tyrod would probably come in with a similar price tag as Foles is being paid to go away, but Minshew and the draft pick would be cheaper yet. Have a free for all QB competition between the 3 and let the best man win.
Given the cap situation, that's one idea of I would do. Rather do something like that than keep Foles. The OL next season won't be strong enough to support a statue like him, not unless the Bears find a starter at RT and Leno plays up to his best season.
It's coming together, my mind is working slow tonight.
Personally, I want him gone. Anyone can argue the value, but I'd rather trade a late round draft pick for Gardner Minshew and dump Foles from the roster.
So I know I'm crazy, but this is how I'd remake the QB room... Sign Tyrod Taylor, try to trade a 6th (no higher than a 5th) round pick for Minshew, and draft a QB within the top 2 rounds.
Just get rid of Foles, eat his contract and move on.
Tyrod would probably come in with a similar price tag as Foles is being paid to go away, but Minshew and the draft pick would be cheaper yet. Have a free for all QB competition between the 3 and let the best man win.
Given the cap situation, that's one idea of I would do. Rather do something like that than keep Foles. The OL next season won't be strong enough to support a statue like him, not unless the Bears find a starter at RT and Leno plays up to his best season.
OK
But neither Tyrod Taylor nor Gardner Minshew are taking this team anywhere. They're both good backups, nothing more.
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here and yeah I get that most fans don't want to face this but...the Bears are in a rebuild whether they want to admit it or not. We aren't a playoff team in 2021.
So I know I'm crazy, but this is how I'd remake the QB room... Sign Tyrod Taylor, try to trade a 6th (no higher than a 5th) round pick for Minshew, and draft a QB within the top 2 rounds.
Just get rid of Foles, eat his contract and move on.
Tyrod would probably come in with a similar price tag as Foles is being paid to go away, but Minshew and the draft pick would be cheaper yet. Have a free for all QB competition between the 3 and let the best man win.
Given the cap situation, that's one idea of I would do. Rather do something like that than keep Foles. The OL next season won't be strong enough to support a statue like him, not unless the Bears find a starter at RT and Leno plays up to his best season.
OK
But neither Tyrod Taylor nor Gardner Minshew are taking this team anywhere. They're both good backups, nothing more.
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here and yeah I get that most fans don't want to face this but...the Bears are in a rebuild whether they want to admit it or not. We aren't a playoff team in 2021.
The Bears aren't anything until they decide what they are doing. Explain to me how Pace/Nagy, who are 100% on the hotseat are going to be willing to start a rebuild they won't be around for? YOU wanting them to rebuild, YOU wanting them to be fired doesn't mean THEY want any of that. I'm not even saying you are wrong in theory, they might well need a rebuild, but a GM and HC who don't have secure contracts aren't going to do it. Would you; if you had 1 or 2 years left on your contract w/potentially getting fired next year start a 3 yr rebuild? Hell no you wouldn't.
Spotrac has a manage roster option now, pretty fun to mess with. Got the Bears to 22 mil in cap from neg 9 mil.
www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/chicago-bears/ Cuts: Leno, saved 6.2mil Massie saved 6.7 mil Graham saved 7mil Hicks saved 10.6 mil Miller saved 1.2 mil Wims 920k Notice how few def players are cut. The def is fine, in theory, the O was a problem well beyond the QB, the OT's are replacement lvl at best and Miller/Wims are cut to prove a point that should have been given after the 1st NO's game, playing stupid isn't allowed; especiallyl when you are a replacement lvl talent. Graham played well enough to stay even w/his cost but the Bears cannot afford him. I would guess they actually try and restructure Hicks/Graham for 1-2 more years, but I'm not trying that.
But making 6 cuts means the team has to sign 10 players to get to 51 instead of 4, that 22 mil isn't going far.
fanspeak.com/mtc/cut.php Used this link to cut(same players as above) and restructure/resign and sign FA's.
Restructured Mack/Fuller to add about 20 more mill, meaning they had about 42 mil, the #'s were exact w/OTC
Resigned Hicks/Mingo/Graham to lower contracts Hicks is a really hard 3-4 DE to replace b/c he's the size of a NT, most are around 280-300. It will be easier to draft someone to learn from him. Graham is still a solid RZ target will be a good backup to Kmet next year. Mingo earned a re sign, Mario Edwards is suspended b/c of a substance or I would have looked at him also. Signed Sammy Watkins Sam Tevi(starting LT from the Chargers) The team still has about 7-8mil to resign the other 5 players, those are going to be far smaller contracts and really the names aren't the bigger issue as we don't know who's even seeing FA yet or not.
Draft www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ traded back from 20th to 26th Ot's were taken. Had to give up a mid round pick but got a 2nd 2nd to make up for it. 26th Mac Jones QB Alabama. *I'll be honest I could see Pace taking him at 20, but he probably can and should drop back a few spots* thedraftnetwork.com/player/mac-jones/xDz6q99pXy Bears will have Foles starting, problem is he isn't very good and he hasn't shown an ability to start 16 games. The Bears cannot afford a project to sit a full 16 games, dropping back allows them to grab Jones, who will likely go at the bottom of the 1st or early 2nd after his playoff performances. There is risk here as Alabama had the best team by far and he was surrounded by NFL talent where most qb's in college are lucky to have 2 or 3 tops. He's still going to be closer to ready then anyone else outside of the top qb's taken
52nd Abraham Lucas RT Washington State thedraftnetwork.com/player/abraham-lucas/Ehor53FIHM Bears need a RT after signing a LT in FA. Lucas needs work or he would have been a day 1 pick, but he is capable of playing day 1. w/the Bears coaches showing they are capable of coaching up OL he should do just fine.
59th Barron Browning 3-4 ILB Ohio State thedraftnetwork.com/player/baron-browning/uPpSp2BTNa Bears need a young ILB to develop quickly behind Danny T, Barron can be that guy, and he won't be asked to BE the guy w/Smith as the primary ILB which he never shown he could be. He's still a good physical fast ILB
83rd Dayo Odeyingbo Edge Vanderbilt www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2021-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-edge-dayo-odeyingbo-vanderbilt Bears need youth at Edge even more then they do at ILB, Dayo gets a shot to live and learn behind 2 of the best and he'll get a shot to rotate to boot. He is capable of playing up or in the dirt so he'll fit behind Mack as he does the same.
196 Kylen Granson TE SMU walterfootball.com/draft2021TE.php Undersized TE, oversized WR, developmental project that the Bears can hope can take Grahams position when he's no longer a Bear.
Roster QB: Foles, Jones, low end fa or udfa RB: Monty, Cohen, Pierce, Nall WR: Watkins, Mooney, low end FA, Riley, Imatorbhebhe, UDFA or low end FA TE: Kmet, Graham, Granson OT: Tevi, Lucas, Simmons, low end FA or UDFA OG: Daniel, Whitehair, Bars, Hambright OC: Mustipfer, Whitehair, Bars 27 O players DL: Hicks, Goldman, Nichols, UDFA, low end FA OLB: Mack, Quinn, Mingo, Tre Gipson, Odeyingbo ILB: Smith, DannyT, Browning, Joel CB: Fuller, Johnson, Vildor, Shelly, udfa or low end FA S: EJax, Trev Gipson, Bush, DHC, UDFA or low end fA 24 D players
K: Santos P: O'Donnel LS Scales
Look for them to find a way to get CPat back also, and likely push Nall off. Nall isn't used, and when he is, he's terrible.
But neither Tyrod Taylor nor Gardner Minshew are taking this team anywhere. They're both good backups, nothing more.
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here and yeah I get that most fans don't want to face this but...the Bears are in a rebuild whether they want to admit it or not. We aren't a playoff team in 2021.
The Bears aren't anything until they decide what they are doing. Explain to me how Pace/Nagy, who are 100% on the hotseat are going to be willing to start a rebuild they won't be around for? YOU wanting them to rebuild, YOU wanting them to be fired doesn't mean THEY want any of that. I'm not even saying you are wrong in theory, they might well need a rebuild, but a GM and HC who don't have secure contracts aren't going to do it. Would you; if you had 1 or 2 years left on your contract w/potentially getting fired next year start a 3 yr rebuild? Hell no you wouldn't.
Ric that is EXACTLY how I see it. This 2021 dynamic is really just ongoing franchise dysfunctionality. Here's why. Even if Pace/Nagy do have the skill set to build and coach a championship level team, the Bears have put them in a no-tomorrow win-now position. Under that pressure, coupled with this existing roster, I think it's a fail from the start. I do. I also worry that Pace may make some bad choices while in this scenario that will hurt the team in 2022.
I just have a bad feeling in my gut over this whole thing.
I guess the best that we can hope for is that either Pace/Nagy turn out being solid this year and clearly show they are "The Answer" here in Chicago. Or, if not that, then they totally suck and get swept out at the end of this year and we get a top draft pick for a QB in 2022.
I just don't see magic happening this year. I don't. Probably just more of the same mediocrity. 8 or 9 wins. Maybe even another one-and-done playoff game. Packers will continue to be the division champions and we will make zero progress towards unseating them.
I've heard in various places that Bars could move to RT. Is that even in the realm of possibility? Don't know that it solves anything.
They had chances to do that this year and didn't. I don't think that's an option, he's a really good swing OG, and they will likely need that player this year as the RG is the backup OC and LG and RG just missed a lot of time this year. They need to start drafting OT's early in the draft probably this year and 2022 or 2023, talking round 1 or 2 in those 2 years.
But neither Tyrod Taylor nor Gardner Minshew are taking this team anywhere. They're both good backups, nothing more.
I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here and yeah I get that most fans don't want to face this but...the Bears are in a rebuild whether they want to admit it or not. We aren't a playoff team in 2021.
The Bears aren't anything until they decide what they are doing. Explain to me how Pace/Nagy, who are 100% on the hotseat are going to be willing to start a rebuild they won't be around for? YOU wanting them to rebuild, YOU wanting them to be fired doesn't mean THEY want any of that. I'm not even saying you are wrong in theory, they might well need a rebuild, but a GM and HC who don't have secure contracts aren't going to do it. Would you; if you had 1 or 2 years left on your contract w/potentially getting fired next year start a 3 yr rebuild? Hell no you wouldn't.
That is EXACTLY why I didn't want to keep them around. It just delays the inevitable and kicks the can down the road another year.
Unless Nick Foles catches lightning in a bottle for a second time, I don't see how this team is better than 7-9 MAX in 2021. The key members of the defense will be another year older, we still don't have a QB, and Rodgers/Green Bay are still playing at a very high level. Looks to me that the defense will end up being high-average, the offense will again be bottom-10, and we will go 0-2 vs Green Bay. Then Pace & Nagy will get fired and we will get serious about turning over the roster and looking a few seasons down the road rather than just one.