We might be 5-2 as of right now but with the Rams game proved was that this team can not compete against the big boys. We can beat up on the Lions and Falcons but when it comes for competing for a ring we will never get to the promise land.
We got an aging defense and a lack luster offense with a HC who has no idea how to call a play and has more than half his games not scoring 21 points or more. We have a GM who has given us more busts than he gave us day one starters. We'll most likely squeeze by to the WC round and be one and done. With the NFL becoming more and more of a passing league every year do to higher ratings and player safety we have to get with the times. Its not possible to win by a complete shutout on defense. The offense needs to put up points. 21 points or more... We just don't have the personnel to do that and the one guy who has been consistent for us will most likely leave us do to an incompetent GM who rather throw money at a 2nd Tier RB than a #1 WR...
Post by billymurray on Oct 27, 2020 14:29:19 GMT -6
Step 1 is to change the stubborn player-caller. Matt seems to have learned nothing in his 2 & a half seasons of play calling. He insists its everyone else but himself. Then re-evaluate after the season. Nagy won't willingly do this because imagine if the offense were to have better results.
What was Pace thinking?
He hired an 'offensive guru' who had less than a season of play-calling under his belt as his head coach and play-caller. Then he had his pick of QBs in the draft and chose one that had a single season as a college starter!
I think our best bet would be to play out the games and then at the end of the season answer this question. I suspect the team will do "just enough" to keep Pace and Nagy here. Maybe a playoff appearance where the team is one-and-done... and the Bears will point to that as if the team is on the right path. The thing that bothers me is that I don't see the team has the GM and HC to put together a good offense. After 6 years of Pace I just don't see the evidence that he has the gears to get it done. As riczaj01 has pointed out a number of times (and I agree with him on this) Pace has poured a lot of resources into the defense. There is some talent there. There SHOULD be with the investment on D. On offense I see 6 years of futility. Sure, there are a few guys who show promise (could be good), along with some guys who are okay-but-not-great... not All-Pro guys but okay players. Allen Robinson is probably our only proven good player (and granted he is not elite by any means). Then we have mediocre and below average guys.
Is this a passing grade for 6 years of GM work? This offense?
No.
I look at this offense and I can't see that it is any better than the old Lovie Smith offenses that sucked. In fact, I'd take some of those old sub-par offenses over this one. 6 years of work here. And this is the best Ryan Pace can do? And as far as Pace's hire of Nagy - as an offense "guru" I think that we instead got a guy who is completely in over his head on offense. He makes too many bonehead mistakes. He's a likeable guy. He admits mistakes. But in the end you gotta have SOME talent. Heck, Lovie Smith was a nice guy. I liked him. But in the end we need a guy who can actually coach. The players love Nagy. They loved Lovie Smith too. But there has to be more than that in a coach.
Do we blow it all up and start over? Let's wait and see the season play out first. I'm not a happy camper now, but maybe a miracle happens. I doubt it but who knows...
I been thinking about where we go from here as well. I think most of us on this board have liked the moves in general that Pace has made. God knows we all liked Nagy as HC, we loved the Mack trade, We liked getting a QB and although some liked Watson and others liked Trubisky I do not remember many if any for Mahones. I am sure there were one or two but not my point. For the most part we liked things as they occurred and thought it was going to make us great. Well here we are, as a whole all these Great things we did have us cash strapped, been short on draft picks which is the way to build a team, have what was suppose to be the next great offensive genius who can not get his offense to produce.
I do not know that we need to blow up the team but although I like Pace and Nagy and approved of their moves for the most part, the sad truth is they have not got the job done. I hope we replace both of them and let the next GM determine what to do. The painfully obvious truth is you need a QB and a OL. I accepted Pace concept of building the OLine from the inside out, but believe that has failed as we can not run nor can we pass protect. You look around at many of the young QBs like Baker Mayfield, J. Herbert, K. Murray, J. Allen, Joe Burrow and they all look like they are going to succeed. Watson seems to be struggling without a supporting cast much like Mitch so I left him off for now. A similar list of OL could be put together of which none are on the Bears either. Sorry but done with excuses. Other teams can find and teach these guys to excel where we struggle. I do not know why but this seems to be a trend for the Bears and I just think we need a change and we need to get the QB position solved. If we drafted QB and Oline for the next 2 drafts only I would understand, until we get that right everything else is water under the bridge..
We might be 5-2 as of right now but with the Rams game proved was that this team can not compete against the big boys. We can beat up on the Lions and Falcons but when it comes for competing for a ring we will never get to the promise land.
We got an aging defense and a lack luster offense with a HC who has no idea how to call a play and has more than half his games not scoring 21 points or more. We have a GM who has given us more busts than he gave us day one starters. We'll most likely squeeze by to the WC round and be one and done. With the NFL becoming more and more of a passing league every year do to higher ratings and player safety we have to get with the times. Its not possible to win by a complete shutout on defense. The offense needs to put up points. 21 points or more... We just don't have the personnel to do that and the one guy who has been consistent for us will most likely leave us do to an incompetent GM who rather throw money at a 2nd Tier RB than a #1 WR...
We didn't "beat up" anybody, MOTM. We needed miracle 4th quarter comebacks and still barely held on to win both games. If Swift hadn't dropped an easy TD pass, we wouldn't even have done that.
We haven't had a single convincing win this year. I don't think we have had a single convincing win going back to the Dallas game in 2019. I can't remember the last time we had a convincing win over a playoff caliber team.
Step 1 is to change the stubborn player-caller. Matt seems to have learned nothing in his 2 & a half seasons of play calling. He insists its everyone else but himself. Then re-evaluate after the season. Nagy won't willingly do this because imagine if the offense were to have better results.
What was Pace thinking?
He hired an 'offensive guru' who had less than a season of play-calling under his belt as his head coach and play-caller. Then he had his pick of QBs in the draft and chose one that had a single season as a college starter!
I echo this with more of a stance leaning to a house cleaning if it looks like we donĀ“t improve statiscally on O during this crucial 4 game stretch which has the highest probabilty of occurring.
No, it's far from a full rebuild. Full rebuild is what Minn needs. This team is 5-2 and just got beat up by a 5-0 team in their own home, after they got humiliated by SF. This team needs a handful of changes in season, and after.
what this team needs to do in season is: Change the playcalling/system you are running. You cannot fix the OL and that OL cannot do what you require of them to run this system.
What they need to do in the offseason: overhaul the OL. LT/RT/RG are all requirements to allow this system to work. -They have limited/no cap, so chances are they can maybe get a RT/RG and not a special one, but at least good -Draft the other 2. Draft a QB. -Caveat the qb has to have the skilset to run what Nagy wants, both mentally and physically. -You can only keep Foles if, IF, the OL gets an overhaul, if not you need a more mobile qb to bridge
If you don't re sign ARob find a new possession WR
-Regardless if you like it or not, the O Nagy wants to run wants the primary receivers to be:
-Big/Beast TE(Graham/Kmet)
-Speed WR(mooney)
-possession WR(ARob/Miller). You don't pay the 3rd WR option 15-18mil a year.
*Miller doesn't look to be a the future at possession WR either, you probably need to redraft that, or bring in an FA, or hope Wims/Riley figures it out.
That isn't a complete overhaul
The next year you need:
OLB/DE/NT
and more speed on the O, another cohen type RB, another speed WR.
2 years. This isn't a team that needs to overhaul.