I wish we could get a QB in the middle of the two extremes of Cutler and Hoyer. Fewer turnovers than Jay. More scoring than Hoyer. Is that too much to hope for?
Isn't that what we had last year with Cutler?
No, I don't think so. They tried to turn Cutler, a vertical threat QB with a cannon arm, into Hoyer. We couldn't score points, so in that sense they succeeded. But we scored around 20 points a game. I think we scored 19 a game the year before that. You can't win that way. Not in today's NFL. If you open up Cutler he has too many turnovers (175 Ints and fumble turnovers so far). If you choke his game down to Hoyer's level - we don't score enough. I think we need a QB who can score, and also make better decisions than Cutler.
Exactly It works when you have multiple guys you have to double. We thought we had that with Jeffrey and White. Since we don't, why is that still our system?
Well to Quote Fox because "it's OUR system"
On top of everything, even if you can stretch the field with multiple players being doubled, some if not both guys will be down field and you have to be able to get it to them. That is a fail for Hoyer. It doesn't work for several reasons.
On top of everything, even if you can stretch the field with multiple players being doubled, some if not both guys will be down field and you have to be able to get it to them. That is a fail for Hoyer. It doesn't work for several reasons.
It's like working on a home project and you need the right tool to do the job. You need a phillips screwdriver, but all you have is a flat-blade screwdriver (worthless) or a hammer (even more worthless). Neither one of those is gonna work very well. Cutler is the hammer-head. Hoyer is the the worthless screwdriver.
On top of everything, even if you can stretch the field with multiple players being doubled, some if not both guys will be down field and you have to be able to get it to them. That is a fail for Hoyer. It doesn't work for several reasons.
It's like working on a home project and you need the right tool to do the job. You need a phillips screwdriver, but all you have is a flat-blade screwdriver (worthless) or a hammer (even more worthless). Neither one of those is gonna work very well. Cutler is the hammer-head. Hoyer is the the worthless screwdriver.
There's nothing worthless about a screwdriver. I need several to deal with Hoyer's "safe" play.
Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
from the article:
Football Outsiders’ Scott Kacsmar tracks failed completions, which are completed passes that fail to gain 45 percent of the necessary yardage on first down, 60 percent on second down and 100 percent on third down. Hoyer led the league with 12 failed completions in Week 6.
That’s simply not going to get it done.
Hoyer is the inverse of of Jay Cutler’s risk/reward calculus, however, there is no reward. I asked Hoyer after the game if the Bears’ game plan — despite him also telling me the offense was expecting near-exclusive single-high looks from Jacksonville — was based on hoping receivers break tackles to move the chains and score points, rather than going vertical as that defensive coverage invites.
“You’re hoping those routes pull people up,” Hoyer said. “They’re a disciplined team, they stay at the sticks, you’re hoping to get some catch and run.”
Hoyer went on to applaud the Jaguars’ discipline before finishing his answer with this admission: “For me, it’s going through the read and not trying to force the ball.”
Post by brasilbear on Oct 19, 2016 14:36:09 GMT -6
Since I don;t know where to put this, I'm putting it here. Don't know what value it has, but interested to watch the LOS and the DEF when the Bears were on OFF.
1-10-CHI 25 (15:00) B.Hoyer pass short right to A.Jeffery to CHI 36 for 11 yards (T.Smith) 10 DEF within 5 yards off the LOS. 1 safety deep. Pass rush of 5, 4 Defenders play a 5-7 yard zone, 1 takes the TE in motion man-to-man into the flat. Safety slides to Jeffery's side of the field. Looks like Jeffery is the first read. No route goes further than 5 yards/
1-10-CHI 36 (14:32) (No Huddle) J.Howard right end to CHI 36 for no gain (R.Miller). Bears with 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR. Miller motions into the backfield. 8 men in the box, single high safety.
2-10-CHI 36 (13:57) J.Howard left tackle to CHI 35 for -1 yards (P.Posluszny). PENALTY on JAX-J.Odrick, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at CHI 35. Bears show 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR, Miller motions into backfield. 8 men in the box,single safety out of the picture.
1-10-50 (13:32) B.Hoyer pass short right to Z.Miller to 50 for no gain (T.Smith) 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR Miller again motions sets up beind the LT. Play action. 8 men in the box, single safety out of the picture. Hoyer bootlegs out right with Miller making his way behind the LOS and across the formation. Pass at the LOS, tackled immediately.
2-10-50 (13:02) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Howard right tackle to JAX 49 for 1 yard (T.Alualu). 1 TE (Paulsen), 3 WR, 1 RB. All three WR to the left. 7 men in the box, single safety out of the picture. 3 WR simply mill together off to the left, leaving 6 to block 7.
3-9-JAX 49 (12:23) (Shotgun) B.Hoyer pass short left to E.Royal to JAX 42 for 7 yards (P.Posluszny). 1 TE (Miller), 1 RB, 3 WR. WRs all to the left, Miller lined up tight to LT on the right. 6 DEF in the box. 2 DBs on the 3 WR, 1 playing off on Miller, single safety out of the picuture. One safety bails from the LOS to out of picture. Pass it two yards short of the marker but in front of 2 defenders standing at the marker. Royal loses his feet and goes down immedietly. Jags bailed out to the first down marker giving Hoyer the underneath throw and he took it.
PUNT.
I count 5 downs where run/pass was a possibilty. Bears faced 3 8-man fronts, and 2 7-man fronts. Longest pass was 7 yards past the line of scrimmage.
Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
