I wish we could get a QB in the middle of the two extremes of Cutler and Hoyer. Fewer turnovers than Jay. More scoring than Hoyer. Is that too much to hope for?
Post by germansbombedph on Oct 19, 2016 0:45:40 GMT -6
1. He is right. Taking care of the Football is the most important thing on the offense. 2. You still Need to take some risks to get some higher reward. Can't always Play it safe. 3. A good timed and accurate throw can be over 20 Yards and still not risky...
If you can't hit a few ur not gonna score much ... just like the Cubs . And if you don't do something on O , you don't DESERVE to win . Put up , or gtfoh . Loggains + Fox + Hoyer = a pack of chicken$hits .
So in my mind we have two separate issues here. The first thing in my mind was that no way did I like how he was playing, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that protecting the ball was a different issue.
In the end, surprisingly, I found I agreed with him. The most important thing is to protect the ball. You can't score if you've just given the ball away.
The second thing you need to do after you establish the fact that you are not going to give the ball away is that since you have the ball, you have to score with the ball. He gets that too.
To be able to score with the ball means to be able to identify the open WR and get them the ball.
Here is were he falls apart. I am not sure if he does not see the open WRs when they are down field or just chooses not to throw to them because they are too high risk for him since he can't hit them accurately.
Long threat home run hitting WRs are coveted in the NFL for a reason. They are the fastest route into the end zone and they stretch the defense to allow the runs and short passes. In other words, they allow the HC to use the full spectrum of offensive weapons and so keep the defense guessing and off balance.
If a QB can not or will not use his down field weapons, he is not an effective QB in today's NFL.
It should also be an arrestable offense when you have good down field WRs.
This is the situation with Hoyer. If you have a golfer that can only putt, he will not win anything because it takes too many strokes to get on the green to where he can take advantage of his expertise.
The other golfers would already have scored and moved on to the next hole.
Any belief we can win with Hoyer is misplaced. He can win the stat numbers on turnovers and yardage, but he won't score like that.
So in short, I agree with him, but the reason protecting the ball is do important is to win the game. One without the other is like sex without climax. What's the point?
So in my mind we have two separate issues here. The first thing in my mind was that no way did I like how he was playing, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that protecting the ball was a different issue.
In the end, surprisingly, I found I agreed with him. The most important thing is to protect the ball. You can't score if you've just given the ball away.
The second thing you need to do after you establish the fact that you are not going to give the ball away is that since you have the ball, you have to score with the ball. He gets that too.
To be able to score with the ball means to be able to identify the open WR and get them the ball.
Here is were he falls apart. I am not sure if he does not see the open WRs when they are down field or just chooses not to throw to them because they are too high risk for him since he can't hit them accurately.
Long threat home run hitting WRs are coveted in the NFL for a reason. They are the fastest route into the end zone and they stretch the defense to allow the runs and short passes. In other words, they allow the HC to use the full spectrum of offensive weapons and so keep the defense guessing and off balance.
If a QB can not or will not use his down field weapons, he is not an effective QB in today's NFL.
It should also be an arrestable offense when you have good down field WRs.
This is the situation with Hoyer. If you have a golfer that can only putt, he will not win anything because it takes too many strokes to get on the green to where he can take advantage of his expertise.
The other golfers would already have scored and moved on to the next hole.
Any belief we can win with Hoyer is misplaced. He can win the stat numbers on turnovers and yardage, but he won't score like that.
So in short, I agree with him, but the reason protecting the ball is do important is to win the game. One without the other is like sex without climax. What's the point?
Funny thing is(got some of this from another site). Last year, when everyone was raving about Cutler, his average pass was in the yard for 3.8 yards, Hoyer right now 3.7. If this is the same system that was being run by Gase last year, it seems that Hoyer is doing what Cutler did last year; difference, Bennett and Forte in the offense forcing more coverage issues. Also, Cutler seems to have gone off the range again, as his year his average pass was travelling over 5 yards in the air.
Maybe the reason the coaches aren't so anxious to get Cutty back in there is that he's not playing in the system and one of the reasons they aren't dogging Hoyer is that he is. Again find the tape from Loggains, Hoyer seems to be saying what Loggains is saying.
So in my mind we have two separate issues here. The first thing in my mind was that no way did I like how he was playing, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that protecting the ball was a different issue.
In the end, surprisingly, I found I agreed with him. The most important thing is to protect the ball. You can't score if you've just given the ball away.
The second thing you need to do after you establish the fact that you are not going to give the ball away is that since you have the ball, you have to score with the ball. He gets that too.
To be able to score with the ball means to be able to identify the open WR and get them the ball.
Here is were he falls apart. I am not sure if he does not see the open WRs when they are down field or just chooses not to throw to them because they are too high risk for him since he can't hit them accurately.
Long threat home run hitting WRs are coveted in the NFL for a reason. They are the fastest route into the end zone and they stretch the defense to allow the runs and short passes. In other words, they allow the HC to use the full spectrum of offensive weapons and so keep the defense guessing and off balance.
If a QB can not or will not use his down field weapons, he is not an effective QB in today's NFL.
It should also be an arrestable offense when you have good down field WRs.
This is the situation with Hoyer. If you have a golfer that can only putt, he will not win anything because it takes too many strokes to get on the green to where he can take advantage of his expertise.
The other golfers would already have scored and moved on to the next hole.
Any belief we can win with Hoyer is misplaced. He can win the stat numbers on turnovers and yardage, but he won't score like that.
So in short, I agree with him, but the reason protecting the ball is do important is to win the game. One without the other is like sex without climax. What's the point?
Funny thing is(got some of this from another site). Last year, when everyone was raving about Cutler, his average pass was in the yard for 3.8 yards, Hoyer right now 3.7. If this is the same system that was being run by Gase last year, it seems that Hoyer is doing what Cutler did last year; difference, Bennett and Forte in the offense forcing more coverage issues. Also, Cutler seems to have gone off the range again, as his year his average pass was travelling over 5 yards in the air.
Maybe the reason the coaches aren't so anxious to get Cutty back in there is that he's not playing in the system and one of the reasons they aren't dogging Hoyer is that he is. Again find the tape from Loggains, Hoyer seems to be saying what Loggains is saying.
If that is our system, then I am not a fan of our system
Funny thing is(got some of this from another site). Last year, when everyone was raving about Cutler, his average pass was in the yard for 3.8 yards, Hoyer right now 3.7. If this is the same system that was being run by Gase last year, it seems that Hoyer is doing what Cutler did last year; difference, Bennett and Forte in the offense forcing more coverage issues. Also, Cutler seems to have gone off the range again, as his year his average pass was travelling over 5 yards in the air.
Maybe the reason the coaches aren't so anxious to get Cutty back in there is that he's not playing in the system and one of the reasons they aren't dogging Hoyer is that he is. Again find the tape from Loggains, Hoyer seems to be saying what Loggains is saying.
If that is our system, then I am not a fan of our system
The system works when you have multiple targets that will make the def pay for not double teaming(AJ/Forte/Bennett/Royal/Miller/Langford etc etc). Find guy the def decided to single cover, and let the playmaker make plays. This year the only player you really have to account for is Jeffery, no one else(although Howard might be emerging) makes the def pay for single coverage. Meredeth has looked good, but he's not a game breaker.
Worse, Jeffery by the very nature of this system is easily taken away. double him pre snap, after the snap move one into the middle of the field and b/c it's a WCO 3 step drop get rid of the ball and more then likely the QB won't have a shot to come back to him even if he is the first read, and really post snap he's single covered.
If that is our system, then I am not a fan of our system
The system works when you have multiple targets that will make the def pay for not double teaming(AJ/Forte/Bennett/Royal/Miller/Langford etc etc). Find guy the def decided to single cover, and let the playmaker make plays. This year the only player you really have to account for is Jeffery, no one else(although Howard might be emerging) makes the def pay for single coverage. Meredeth has looked good, but he's not a game breaker.
Worse, Jeffery by the very nature of this system is easily taken away. double him pre snap, after the snap move one into the middle of the field and b/c it's a WCO 3 step drop get rid of the ball and more then likely the QB won't have a shot to come back to him even if he is the first read, and really post snap he's single covered.
Exactly It works when you have multiple guys you have to double. We thought we had that with Jeffrey and White. Since we don't, why is that still our system?
I voted no, but I still wouldn't replace Hoyer right now. Sounds contradictory with what I post around here but its not.
Cutler is the more skilled QB and is willing to take a shot when necessary. Not all risky shots are deep balls either. Cutler believe he has the arm strength and the ability to fit a ball into any coverage. So he's going the middle into double coverage because he believes he can fit the ball in to Royal/Miller/Jeffery/who-ever and get the first down or 7 yards on 2nd down. He's made some incredible throws, the throw to Royal in the first game where he looked the safety over, got him leaning in the other direction and then came back to Royal before the DB could close was a great throw. Hoyer doesn't/can't make that throw. On the other hand, he also makes throws that make you turn off the TV and swear to never watch a game again. With Cutler, 1.7 turnovers a game and averaging 24 points a game is what you get.
But the DEF isn't up to covering for the turnovers right now. Maybe they have turned a corner, although against GB its a truer test even with Rogers not functioning at 100%. If the DEF was top 10 across the board in points/yards maybe I'd say go back to Cutler.
Hoyer is going, apparently and I must admit to my great surprise, to not take that throw into the middle or attempt the throw to Royal in the endzone. So no turnovers and 18 points a game (18.25 over the last three games) are what you get.
The system works when you have multiple targets that will make the def pay for not double teaming(AJ/Forte/Bennett/Royal/Miller/Langford etc etc). Find guy the def decided to single cover, and let the playmaker make plays. This year the only player you really have to account for is Jeffery, no one else(although Howard might be emerging) makes the def pay for single coverage. Meredeth has looked good, but he's not a game breaker.
Worse, Jeffery by the very nature of this system is easily taken away. double him pre snap, after the snap move one into the middle of the field and b/c it's a WCO 3 step drop get rid of the ball and more then likely the QB won't have a shot to come back to him even if he is the first read, and really post snap he's single covered.
Exactly It works when you have multiple guys you have to double. We thought we had that with Jeffrey and White. Since we don't, why is that still our system?
