Post by dachuckster on Oct 11, 2016 6:14:42 GMT -6
I have to agree with @soulman on this. Take away some of the stupid drive killing red zone penalties and we easily could have had 3 - 10 more points. And the complexion of the game could easily have changed.
I really agree with Soul's comment:
The penalties on Long, Massie, and Paulsen that halted drives short of the end zone or cost us precious time in catch up mode were not made by rookies. In fact both Massie and Paulsen seem to be quite good at making them negating the idea that experienced vets are any better than raw rookies and possibly worse because they have no excuse and no upside.
I have to agree with @soulman on this. Take away some of the stupid drive killing red zone penalties and we easily could have had 3 - 10 more points. And the complexion of the game could easily have changed.
I really agree with Soul's comment:
The penalties on Long, Massie, and Paulsen that halted drives short of the end zone or cost us precious time in catch up mode were not made by rookies. In fact both Massie and Paulsen seem to be quite good at making them negating the idea that experienced vets are any better than raw rookies and possibly worse because they have no excuse and no upside.
Add in Prescott and Wentz and you see the same thing w/QB's. Could go back to last year w/Mariotta and Winston, and a few years ago w/Wilson. It appears that college qb's are more prepared then ever; and my guess is it's b/c the rules are so pro qb(cannot hit high, cannot hit low, cannot hit late, cannot touch wr's, etc) that it's just easier for qb's to adjust now.
Some of it is that but it's also oversimplifying the problems on both sides of the ball. The penalties on Long, Massie, and Paulsen that halted drives short of the end zone or cost us precious time in catch up mode were not made by rookies. In fact both Massie and Paulsen seem to be quite good at making them negating the idea that experienced vets are any better than raw rookies and possibly worse because they have no excuse and no upside.
We also can't blame a vet backup QB of 47 games failing to read a defense well and ignore his first read who was wide open for a winning TD on rookie mistakes. Nor can we blame a vet PK for missing twice on the rookies when that miss made a huge difference in our strategy on that last drive. Without that miss a FG ties the game and we don't have to go for six on 4th down. Of course that assumes Barth wouldn't have missed yet another FG of 40 yards plus.
I'm not ranting. I'm actually very calm now because I feel like I have far better answers than any we've been given at least by Fox. He has no plan period or at least not one that could be described as anything different than his injury reports. So I'm just calling it John Fox's "Day by Day Guide to Winning Football". That's all it really is you know. The guy doesn't even have the balls to make a definitive statement regarding his decision on who plays QB once Cutler is healthy. This is a guy with his back against the wall who knows it and won't be pinned down to anything. Only losers coach like that sorry.
So yeah, it's gonna be painful and it will stay that way until Fox is gone. An 8-8 season would have shown little progress but a season that's beginning to look like half that many wins is being hopeful is a severe regression. The 8-8 means you get one more shot but a 4-12 should get you fired. If it doesn't once again it shows a lack of balls on the part of Bears management and ownership to swallow a bitter pill and begin again to start delivering on their promises. I've had enough of this rebuilding that isn't.
I see 1-7 at the bye as a very real possibility. What do you see?
Pace has made mistakes. So has Fox. I'm still hoping these two can get it turned around after another off-season.
I dunno. Feels like they are having an off season right now.
I have to agree with @soulman on this. Take away some of the stupid drive killing red zone penalties and we easily could have had 3 - 10 more points. And the complexion of the game could easily have changed.
I really agree with Soul's comment:
Add in Prescott and Wentz and you see the same thing w/QB's. Could go back to last year w/Mariotta and Winston, and a few years ago w/Wilson. It appears that college qb's are more prepared then ever; and my guess is it's b/c the rules are so pro qb(cannot hit high, cannot hit low, cannot hit late, cannot touch wr's, etc) that it's just easier for qb's to adjust now.
IMO Prescott and Wentz came from programs that have relatively sophisticated offenses. Both had careers where they performed at pretty high levels and both came into systems that are designed to ease their transitions into the NFL. For sure the rules that protect QBs and receivers in the NFL have to help. But I don't know if I would buy in that college QBs are more prepared than ever.
I think using the 2015 draft is not representative of a typical NFL QB draft class. There were only 7 QBs taken and 3 currently start in the NFL (almost 50%). Using 2014, or other years is a little more representative. Typically there are at least 12 QBs taken in a given year and only 1 or 2 end up being starters for any length of time in the NFL.
Dack, it's not just 2016-2015, go back look at how well Wilson preformed(i'm not just using 1st round top 5 picks btw). It might NOT be the case, but it sure feels that way.
Pace has made mistakes. So has Fox. I'm still hoping these two can get it turned around after another off-season.
I dunno. Feels like they are having an off season right now.
LOL, for sure.
I'm reading more and more about firing people (not from you, but some) We could just get new coaches and GM's every couple of years or so. Then they could gut the roster and keep us in rebuilding mode for decades more. That would make the fans happy. I'm not sure we'd ever win much, but we'd get the joy of firing people and cutting players all the time :-)
It's called the "Cleveland Browns Model" and could be quite an achievement for the Bears. Oakland executed this plan to perfection for decades and did well too.
I dunno. Feels like they are having an off season right now.
LOL, for sure.
I'm reading more and more about firing people (not from you, but some) We could just get new coaches and GM's every couple of years or so. Then they could gut the roster and keep us in rebuilding mode for decades more. That would make the fans happy. I'm not sure we'd ever win much, but we'd get the joy of firing people and cutting players all the time :-)
It's called the "Cleveland Browns Model" and could be quite an achievement for the Bears. Oakland executed this plan to perfection for decades and did well too.
I'm reading more and more about firing people (not from you, but some) We could just get new coaches and GM's every couple of years or so. Then they could gut the roster and keep us in rebuilding mode for decades more. That would make the fans happy. I'm not sure we'd ever win much, but we'd get the joy of firing people and cutting players all the time :-)
It's called the "Cleveland Browns Model" and could be quite an achievement for the Bears. Oakland executed this plan to perfection for decades and did well too.
I prefer the Bears don't follow that method.
I understand the foul mood (it stinks having another season of no hope). And if they do eventually fire Pace and Fox there is zero guarantee the next people will be any better. It's just perpetual crappy seasons. I think that's why I'm hoping Pace/Fox can turn the team around next year and stay.
I understand the foul mood (it stinks having another season of no hope). And if they do eventually fire Pace and Fox there is zero guarantee the next people will be any better. It's just perpetual crappy seasons. I think that's why I'm hoping Pace/Fox can turn the team around next year and stay.
I understand too.. One thing I have learned about the NFL, is that there is no Guarantees. What if the next coach comes in and removes the 3-4 defense?
Dack, it's not just 2016-2015, go back look at how well Wilson preformed(i'm not just using 1st round top 5 picks btw). It might NOT be the case, but it sure feels that way.
I think you need to look at the number of good QBs that come out of each draft versus to total taken. And you need to let a draft class "age" for a bit too.
So IMO it is a little early to evaluate the 2015 and 2016 draft classes. If you look at 2014, 2013, 2012, etc you can get a picture of how many good quarterbacks were in that class.
I am sure that some classes were stronger than others.
I don't know if the QB talent pool is getting stronger or weaker. Or if you just get a couple of better draft classes in a row and then hit a dry spell.
One of the other issues the NFL has (or had) with QBs is the use of spread and read-option offenses in college. Maybe NFL teams have started to figure out how to help the transition from these offenses to a NFL style of offense. Or maybe the NFL is adapting and including some of the components of these offense. Or maybe a combination of the two.