Losing Gase and replacing him with the dwarf isn't the best Situation for the guy that's known to hire good coaches. Were the Bears to cheap to pay the OC?
No. The idea that the Bears are somehow cheap died and was buried long ago.
If you want a hunch mine would be that Fox had a clear idea of the type of offense he wanted to run and with a relatively inexperienced OC it would be easier to impose his will on him to get that just as I feel he's been doing with Pace and some of these personnel moves.
This really isn't a conspiracy of any sorts it's nothing more than an experienced HC whose grown accustomed to having a lot of power and using whatever leverage he can muster to exert it. If it turns out I'm wrong I'd be happy to admit it but I see the hands of John Fox stirring the pot in nearly all of this.
It's year two of his regime and he's promised game by game improvement after a somewhat disappointing 2015 season so he wants to employ even more of his ways of doing things. More of "his" players and "his" style of offensive football. The problem is that style is dated and no longer works like it did 15 years ago.
With Gase gone he has more say on offense and I believe this was his plan for 2016. It isn't working and he has no other plan because this is all he knows. He's not and never has been a master offensive strategist which IMHO is also why there were no half time adjustments made in the first two games. He had no idea what to even suggest.
If you watch him during games he has that same puzzled expression we've seen from other Bears HCs who had a scheme and game plan that isn't working. Last year he had Gase and Gase could make adjustments by watching what was happening and figuring out play to call to beat a defense. He's gone and with it our ability to make those adjustments.
Other than Gase who else is missing from a strategic standpoint. It's true was miss Forte but even he couldn't compensate for all of this. We'd still be losing because what we're running isn't working.
Losing Gase and replacing him with the dwarf isn't the best Situation for the guy that's known to hire good coaches. Were the Bears to cheap to pay the OC?
No. The idea that the Bears are somehow cheap died and was buried long ago.
If you want a hunch mine would be that Fox had a clear idea of the type of offense he wanted to run and with a relatively inexperienced OC it would be easier to impose his will on him to get that just as I feel he's been doing with Pace and some of these personnel moves.
This really isn't a conspiracy of any sorts it's nothing more than an experienced HC whose grown accustomed to having a lot of power and using whatever leverage he can muster to exert it. If it turns out I'm wrong I'd be happy to admit it but I see the hands of John Fox stirring the pot in nearly all of this.
It's year two of his regime and he's promised game by game improvement after a somewhat disappointing 2015 season so he wants to employ even more of his ways of doing things. More of "his" players and "his" style of offensive football. The problem is that style is dated and no longer works like it did 15 years ago.
With Gase gone he has more say on offense and I believe this was his plan for 2016. It isn't working and he has no other plan because this is all he knows. He's not and never has been a master offensive strategist which IMHO is also why there were no half time adjustments made in the first two games. He had no idea what to even suggest.
If you watch him during games he has that same puzzled expression we've seen from other Bears HCs who had a scheme and game plan that isn't working. Last year he had Gase and Gase could make adjustments by watching what was happening and figuring out play to call to beat a defense. He's gone and with it our ability to make those adjustments.
Other than Gase who else is missing from a strategic standpoint. It's true was miss Forte but even he couldn't compensate for all of this. We'd still be losing because what we're running isn't working.
"This really isn't a conspiracy of any sorts it's nothing more than an experienced HC whose grown accustomed to having a lot of power and using whatever leverage he can muster to exert it."
This is the risk we took bringing him brother. My initial concerns are beginning to prove true. The assumption that somehow it John Fox who made the Broncos into an instant contender was never true. It was OC Mike McCoy who came up with a plan and schemes for how they could use Tebow to win some games with in Fox's first year then both McCoy AND Tebow were gone. That's not team building that scraping by and getting really lucky because you have a clever OC.
After that it was the moves Elway made to bring in Manning and stock that defense with some stud pass rushers that did the rest. Denver had rushers like Dumervil, Miller, and Ware while we have an injured McPhee and Houston and a draftee like Floyd instead of Von Miller. No one knew how good Gase might be since Manning was pretty much his own play caller and he has a huge influence on the scheme and game plans. Fox influenced the defense but even they got far more aggressive under Wade Phillips and now they're even better without Fox.
Elway collected all of that talent and Fox simply administered it. Take away that talent and Fox is as a HC what many say Cutler is as a QB. If that's the case I don't see a championship team in the making or even a consistent playoff team. Fox's rep is a myth.
Why is it that he can hit a homerun on our 2nd round picks twice yet signing huge projects in the first. I think there is more going on upstairs than what we know.
This ^^^^ is what really pisses me off. I HATE both of Pace's 1st round choices thus far and both were terrible picks for the top-10.
Why is it that he can hit a homerun on our 2nd round picks twice yet signing huge projects in the first. I think there is more going on upstairs than what we know.
This ^^^^ is what really pisses me off. I HATE both of Pace's 1st round choices thus far and both were terrible picks for the top-10.
For whatever reason or reasons whoever pulled the trigger was focused far more on upside and long term potential than what can they do for me now. That part annoys me because neither was presented and sold to us that way.
This ^^^^ is what really pisses me off. I HATE both of Pace's 1st round choices thus far and both were terrible picks for the top-10.
For whatever reason or reasons whoever pulled the trigger was focused far more on upside and long term potential than what can they do for me now. That part annoys me because neither was presented and sold to us that way.
That's the problem we're facing. We're drafting for potential rather than day 1 talent.
White was going to be a huge project coming out of last years draft do to his bad route running and his hands. We see that problem already but at least it looks like he can fix it. Now the big question is will this dude be an elite WR that we need him to be? We wasted a 7th on the guy. Floyd is looking like a skinny safety out there playing with grown tackles. Unless he puts some weight on I don't see this dude being good as a pass rusher.
For whatever reason or reasons whoever pulled the trigger was focused far more on upside and long term potential than what can they do for me now. That part annoys me because neither was presented and sold to us that way.
That's the problem we're facing. We're drafting for potential rather than day 1 talent.
White was going to be a huge project coming out of last years draft do to his bad route running and his hands. We see that problem already but at least it looks like he can fix it. Now the big question is will this dude be an elite WR that we need him to be? We wasted a 7th on the guy. Floyd is looking like a skinny safety out there playing with grown tackles. Unless he puts some weight on I don't see this dude being good as a pass rusher.
I have no idea how this year will turn out vs draft position but 4 players who I think would have been better picks went before us. Elliott #4, then Stanley/LT #6, Buckner DE/#7, and Conklin/RT #8 and we end up with the one guy I kept screaming NOT to draft. It was very frustrating.
Post by blueshoes on Sept 30, 2016 23:38:41 GMT -6
Wow we're really jumping the gun on Pace's 1st rd picks already aren't we . Walter Payton gained 0 yards on 8 carries ( if I'm remembering correctly ) in his 1st game . ZERO yards ... get it ? After that he GRADUALLY got ahem " better " yes ?
Ufb how quickly people want rookie players to be performing like seasoned veteran perennial pro bowlers .
Wow we're really jumping the gun on Pace's 1st rd picks already aren't we . Walter Payton gained 0 yards on 8 carries ( if I'm remembering correctly ) in his 1st game . ZERO yards ... get it ? After that he GRADUALLY got ahem " better " yes ?
Ufb how quickly people want rookie players to be performing like seasoned veteran perennial pro bowlers .
Some of you guys need to take a chill pill .
Nah, that's an exaggeration of what's expected blue.
Floyd is a top ten pick who was promoted to us as a pass rusher even though is college stats would belie that. The story we were given was that he was moved all around and played MLB and even as a SS at times and once he's kept at OLB and coached his speed off the edge would win for him as often as not. Has that happened?
He has half a sack and some pressure in game one and he's regressed both as a rusher and against the run ever since. If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick we might be more forgiving but he's not. More is expected of top picks and he's not even close to being adequate as a starter yet he is starting and has been so even experience is not making him better yet.
Kevin White is a rookie in name only. He's had a full year to study and learn the same route tree every NFL team and every college team uses to run it's passing game. He couldn't run it all correctly coming out of college and he still can't run it correctly. Why? No matter how fast he is without football smarts he'll fail eventually and so far he has.
For those who think the Dallas game was a breakout game due to one highlight film catch I would remind them that he was targeted 14 times but caught only 6 passes for 62 yards. One of them covered 32 yards and the other five 30 yards. So he had one somewhat lucky acrobatic catch, 5 others which averaged 6 ypc, and 8 passes thrown his way he either dropped or didn't catch. Quite a few of those were on Hoyer too but not all because he was still not running his routes correctly.
No one is expecting perennial all pro play but just average isn't to much to ask and we aren't even getting that. So it's either poor coaching or these two were never as good as their draft status would indicate. Take your pick.
