You don't think the GM would ask the coach "This kid wants to be a Bear. Is this someone you want?" That does not mean that the HC makes the decision, but it does allow him to tell the GM if he thinks the kid can help the team. Most places that have a healthy management structure would want to know if the guy that is going to be brought on board is wanted by the guy that he will be actually working for.
BIH, are you watching the Senior Bowl by chance? John Fox just iced his own kicker by calling a time out. The announcers are having a field day. Maybe he didn't realize it was his team kicking the FG. The Logg and Foxy are shazzamming the people.
Fox and Logg are bringing their clown show to college? Wonder how many wins they would get in the season with 'ol John coaching these bad boys. But I'm sure that the other part of the country just simply has more talent than the part John is coaching.
BIH, are you watching the Senior Bowl by chance? John Fox just iced his own kicker by calling a time out. The announcers are having a field day. Maybe he didn't realize it was his team kicking the FG. The Logg and Foxy are shazzamming the people.
Fox and Logg are bringing their clown show to college? Wonder how many wins they would get in the season with 'ol John coaching these bad boys. But I'm sure that the other part of the country just simply has more talent than the part John is coaching.
The Brown's coaching staff looked sold though. They had fun with the players and called a solid game. They deserved the win. Seriously, I wonder if Fox is sick or overly tired. He honestly didn't look good and he was hoarse when they interviewed him briefly pre-game.
I just stumbled upon this tonight regarding Rex not being a 1st round prospect. The full article is worth reading if you're interested. They had Grossman pegged pretty accurately. I post it now because we are probably going to draft a QB this year to be our franchise QB again. The article makes you think about the dangers of reaching for a QB in the 1st round like this again... just because we feel we need a QB.
LINK "He says Grossman might have had a chance to go late in the first round last year, but now has fallen to the late second or early part of the third round... ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. agrees. "Rex was a possible first-round pick, and now he's probably not in my mind a first-rounder," Kiper said. "How far he drops depends on how well he finishes." Kiper also said you could argue Grossman "has been exposed as a product of the [Spurrier] system."
I hate it when people say someone is a product of the system. Remember all of the QB's that thrived in college under Jeff Tedford but didn't do very well in the NFL (Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, David Carr, etc)? Every Tedford QB then became "a product of his system." Then along comes Aarron Rodgers who, based on his college career, should have been a top 5 pick but fell to the late 1st round because teams thought he was just "a product of Tedford's system." Those teams (I'm sure the Bears are included here too) feel pretty dumb now for passing on him. Total BS you can either ball at the NFL level or you can't.
You don't think the GM would ask the coach "This kid wants to be a Bear. Is this someone you want?" That does not mean that the HC makes the decision, but it does allow him to tell the GM if he thinks the kid can help the team. Most places that have a healthy management structure would want to know if the guy that is going to be brought on board is wanted by the guy that he will be actually working for.
BIH, are you watching the Senior Bowl by chance? John Fox just iced his own kicker by calling a time out. The announcers are having a field day. Maybe he didn't realize it was his team kicking the FG. The Logg and Foxy are shazzamming the people.
EDIT: It was the other team's kicker. I thought that was pretty crazy even for Fox.
Yeah.... that would really have been something. Kinda like a 2nd down field goal attempt or something that would never happen like that.
I just stumbled upon this tonight regarding Rex not being a 1st round prospect. The full article is worth reading if you're interested. They had Grossman pegged pretty accurately. I post it now because we are probably going to draft a QB this year to be our franchise QB again. The article makes you think about the dangers of reaching for a QB in the 1st round like this again... just because we feel we need a QB.
LINK "He says Grossman might have had a chance to go late in the first round last year, but now has fallen to the late second or early part of the third round... ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. agrees. "Rex was a possible first-round pick, and now he's probably not in my mind a first-rounder," Kiper said. "How far he drops depends on how well he finishes." Kiper also said you could argue Grossman "has been exposed as a product of the [Spurrier] system."
I hate it when people say someone is a product of the system. Remember all of the QB's that thrived in college under Jeff Tedford but didn't do very well in the NFL (Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, David Carr, etc)? Every Tedford QB then became "a product of his system." Then along comes Aarron Rodgers who, based on his college career, should have been a top 5 pick but fell to the late 1st round because teams thought he was just "a product of Tedford's system." Those teams (I'm sure the Bears are included here too) feel pretty dumb now for passing on him. Total BS you can either ball at the NFL level or you can't.
That's a good point. Actually, it points to a higher truth about these college quarterbacks. That is, there is no hard-and-fast rule that you can use to define future NFL performance of a college QB. These are human beings, and each one is unique. Every situation is unique. For every defining point that the "experts" come up with, there are exceptions. We see the exceptions every year. Guys who don't fit the "ideal" end up surprising us. Some guys who do fit the "ideal" fail.
The "experts" get it wrong a lot. A whole lot.
Being able to discern future NFL performance in a QB is more of an art form than an exact science. I sure hope Pace and our scouts are able to identify the right guy for us.
BIH, are you watching the Senior Bowl by chance? John Fox just iced his own kicker by calling a time out. The announcers are having a field day. Maybe he didn't realize it was his team kicking the FG. The Logg and Foxy are shazzamming the people.
EDIT: It was the other team's kicker. I thought that was pretty crazy even for Fox.
Yeah.... that would really have been something. Kinda like a 2nd down field goal attempt or something that would never happen like that.
I have been home sick with a virus and not tracking so well. I honestly thought Fox had iced his own kicker :-)
Both picks are tales in caution, some seem to think def can be non misses, and Hayes most definitely was a miss.
Rex is more complicated in that he started playing scared after several injuries. His game wasn't terrible early and you could see why the team wanted to see how he developed. Where they made a mistake, much like Cutler, they refused to ever bring in any legit competition for him. People will point to Brees, but he didn't want to play here, by all reports it was NO's or Miami(i think it was miami). But Warner had wanted to play here and only asked to be able to compete and they refused.
back on track though, of the 2 first round picks, Rex was a far better pick, and was a far safer pick. Inj's hampered his career, and per usual Kiper was wrong on where he should have went.
Also, at the time Brees was a question mark because of his shoulder injury. He had a couple good years to start his career but everyone in the league thought he was a bit of a risk. It was unclear if his throwing shoulder would be fine, his size was still questioned and would he continue to get better as a QB or had he hit his ceiling. Looking back it all seems kind of ridiculous but at that time NO ONE could predict the prolific numbers he would go on to put up. I remember watching Rex and thinking, 'Wow I've never seen a Bears QB throw lasers like this' but he had zero pocket presence/escapability/mobility which is a must when you can't see over your line and why Brees has had success at the same height.
The Bears had two 1st round picks that year. But it was (truly was) a bad year for QBs. We spent our two 1st round picks on Michael Haynes and Grossman. Haynes never made a regular season roster after we cut him after 3 seasons.
We did get Peanut and Lance Briggs in that draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds though. Pretty good value for those two.
This really shows JA and Lovie had no idea how to evaluate Offensive players