It will be interesting to see what year we do better than that 10-win season. And it will be interesting to see what year we do better in a Super Bowl. And it will be interesting to see when the next Bears head coach will have more than those 3 Division Championships.
That will be the year we are "better"...
Until then we just float in the old NFL toilet bowl with the Browns and 9ers and stink.
I'm just so happy we went from a 10-win season to a 3-win season. Are we "better" now?
Were you happy with the 7 8 9 wins before and the shit drafts?
That 10 win season was an anomoly and a lie. It was the death throws of an aged def that wad no longer going to carry the team anymore. Lovie stays to this point the teambis every bit as bad...possibly worse since he couldnt draft or evaluate talent for shit. His say plus emerys...ugh terrible.
I liked winning. Lovie Smith was fired after that 10-win season in 2012. The year prior to that we had 8 wins. But 2011 we were Division Champions and were in the NFL Conference Championship game. LOL, and that was with Jay Cutler.
I would like to see us do better than that. But right now championships sound pretty good to me.
Were you happy with the 7 8 9 wins before and the shit drafts?
That 10 win season was an anomoly and a lie. It was the death throws of an aged def that wad no longer going to carry the team anymore. Lovie stays to this point the teambis every bit as bad...possibly worse since he couldnt draft or evaluate talent for shit. His say plus emerys...ugh terrible.
I liked winning. Lovie Smith was fired after that 10-win season in 2012. The year prior to that we had 8 wins. But 2011 we were Division Champions and were in the NFL Conference Championship game. LOL, and that was with Jay Cutler.
I would like to see us do better than that. But right now championships sound pretty good to me.
I remember those 10 wins, and it didn't feel like 10 wins. I remember saying it at the time that it wasn't a 10 win season and it wasn't going to happen again w/those players.
They were never in that NL CCG game. They didn't score a TD until the 4th qtr, well after Cutler had left, and well after the game was out of reach. Pretending that was game b/c GB had stopped playing in the 4th qtr is like pretending that Barkley was a great qb b/c he finally started scoring after the games were out of reach and the def's started playing soft coverages.
I want to win as much as the next guy, but i'm not going to glamorize the past b/c of how bleak the present is.
I gladly go back into those days than what we have right now.
It was a winning record, but barely, and that barely was becoming the norm under Lovie as he couldn't run his Def w/out HoF, and boarderline HoF talent at each lvl of the field. And that 10 win season was going to be the last really good season as BU and Tillman and Briggs became less and less capable of carrying the team, and Lovie had proven incapable of evaluating and developing the next group.
We would be right were we are now, if not worse w/Lovie still here.
I liked winning. Lovie Smith was fired after that 10-win season in 2012. The year prior to that we had 8 wins. But 2011 we were Division Champions and were in the NFL Conference Championship game. LOL, and that was with Jay Cutler.
I would like to see us do better than that. But right now championships sound pretty good to me.
I remember those 10 wins, and it didn't feel like 10 wins. I remember saying it at the time that it wasn't a 10 win season and it wasn't going to happen again w/those players.
They were never in that NL CCG game. They didn't score a TD until the 4th qtr, well after Cutler had left, and well after the game was out of reach. Pretending that was game b/c GB had stopped playing in the 4th qtr is like pretending that Barkley was a great qb b/c he finally started scoring after the games were out of reach and the def's started playing soft coverages.
I want to win as much as the next guy, but i'm not going to glamorize the past b/c of how bleak the present is.
10 wins is 10 wins though Ric. It's better than 3 wins. LOL, even I can do that math. The Division Championships happened. It's better than last place in the NFCN like we do now. The Super Bowl appearance happened. We had a lot of good wins over those years.
Now we root for the highest draft position. That's our "championship" now. We post about how we hope we can lose enough games to get a decent draft pick.
Don't get me wrong, I was all for letting Angelo and Lovie go. I still think that was the thing to do. I have zero regrets. What does make me angry is that the team didn't upgrade. It was a crippling downgrade to hire Emery and Trestman. It set the team back, badly. It just broke our back. Angelo and Lovie let the team atrophy. We needed a GM like Pace (or better) at that critical time. But at that critical moment when we needed to upgrade the GM and HC, the team made a mistake that killed us - and we are still paying the price for that poor hiring of Emery and Trestman.
I know it doesn't do any good to whine about it now. But I do admit it makes me crazy angry to continue to be one of the worst teams in the entire NFL. And being in last place in the NFCN each year stinks too.
Now we are wondering if Fox will be yet another failure. It is a real possibility. Then you start the whole process over again. Meanwhile the years go by.
But good for Briggs for calling that fan out. I have nothing to fault Briggs for, he's just being proud of the Bears teams he played on, at a Pro-Bowl and All-Pro level year after year. The team won a lot of games while he was here. Championships. Playoffs. Super Bowl appearance. And not one year did we have to endure a steaming pile of crap 3-win season like THIS year. Those are the facts. If Lovie got fired after a 10-win season, you wonder what is appropriate for a 3-win coach, who only won 6 games the year before. His record is worse than Marc Trestman's here.
I have plenty to fault Briggs for, he purposefully tried to make the team fail after Lovie left. He purposefully quit on this team to ensure it failed to make sure the next coach couldn't succeed.
I agree, it was time for Angelo and Lovie to go, so lets stop acting like those were good times b/c if we admit it was time for them to go, then you cannot go back and wish for those times.
We can all agree that HH failed in Emery/Trestman, and that escalated an already sinking ship. But that is also history, the current and future is in Pace, and to a lesser extent Fox(he won't be here when the team is fully fixed and ready to compete). There was no further 10 win season, it was more 7 8 9 win seasons at best, and likely it was closer to what has happened b/c the team was to aged and the team was to incapable of replacing aged talent w/young talent.
I remember those 10 wins, and it didn't feel like 10 wins. I remember saying it at the time that it wasn't a 10 win season and it wasn't going to happen again w/those players.
They were never in that NL CCG game. They didn't score a TD until the 4th qtr, well after Cutler had left, and well after the game was out of reach. Pretending that was game b/c GB had stopped playing in the 4th qtr is like pretending that Barkley was a great qb b/c he finally started scoring after the games were out of reach and the def's started playing soft coverages.
I want to win as much as the next guy, but i'm not going to glamorize the past b/c of how bleak the present is.
10 wins is 10 wins though Ric. It's better than 3 wins. LOL, even I can do that math. The Division Championships happened. It's better than last place in the NFCN like we do now. The Super Bowl appearance happened. We had a lot of good wins over those years.
Now we root for the highest draft position. That's our "championship" now. We post about how we hope we can lose enough games to get a decent draft pick.
Don't get me wrong, I was all for letting Angelo and Lovie go. I still think that was the thing to do. I have zero regrets. What does make me angry is that the team didn't upgrade. It was a crippling downgrade to hire Emery and Trestman. It set the team back, badly. It just broke our back. Angelo and Lovie let the team atrophy. We needed a GM like Pace (or better) at that critical time. But at that critical moment when we needed to upgrade the GM and HC, the team made a mistake that killed us - and we are still paying the price for that poor hiring of Emery and Trestman.
I know it doesn't do any good to whine about it now. But I do admit it makes me crazy angry to continue to be one of the worst teams in the entire NFL. And being in last place in the NFCN each year stinks too.
Now we are wondering if Fox will be yet another failure. It is a real possibility. Then you start the whole process over again. Meanwhile the years go by.
But good for Briggs for calling that fan out. I have nothing to fault Briggs for, he's just being proud of the Bears teams he played on, at a Pro-Bowl and All-Pro level year after year. The team won a lot of games while he was here. Championships. Playoffs. Super Bowl appearance. And not one year did we have to endure a steaming pile of crap 3-win season like THIS year. Those are the facts. If Lovie got fired after a 10-win season, you wonder what is appropriate for a 3-win coach, who only won 6 games the year before. His record is worse than Marc Trestman's here.
Now we are wondering if Fox will be yet another failure. It is a real possibility. Then you start the whole process over again.
I don't agree with the last sentence. I think people make too big a deal of continuity over change. When you are operating at 85%, you need the continuity to get that other 20%. However, to get to that 85% to begin with, that means you have good people in place and so continuity is a desirable thing.
Continuity is something you actually DON'T want when you have something not working. I would say 3 wins can be defined as not working. For us Continuity is bad.
1st step. Get the people in place that can and are fixing the situation.
2nd step is continuity of that fixing trend and the people driving it.
The reason I do not agree with the last sentence is that I see stuff happening now that we did not have before. I see us being able to get and develop talent. So no, we don;t start over. We put in different coaches but we do so with an elevated level of talent. Much of our problem is talent. Some of that is going away.
Talent will get you to a pretty high degree. I think Lovie was a mediocre coach. But during some of his years, he had talent. So he saw success. He was not able to leverage the full benefit of that talent because he just simply was not much more than an average coach. Now, we are lacking in talent, but I honestly that has been and is continuing to change. I think Pace will get us to where we were before talent wise, and hopefully even better. That is where we could go for years again (with a team that starts winning but can't close the deal) until we realize the leadership also is at issue. Now I realize I may be fully wrong here. Fox did not impress but there were injuries. However, what drives my comments is that even with injuries, we had better than a 3 win team. Some don't feel that way, so this is not a red flag. I do think we were better than three wins, so I see a red flag.
THere are a lot of ifs here. IF I am right (can't be sure until we see Fox try and win with more talent and see how he stalls -- in other words, possibly watch us get stuck in the mud for a few more years), then as talent gets better, wins get to be more. He gets renewed. We get into playoffs or barely into playoffs and keep missing the prize. We still think we are lucky to have a coach that gets us to the playoffs so it can;t be his fault. This goes on for another cycle of player talent (people like Long, etc get older and retire) and Pace needs to restock that talent again.
That is a possible scenario, but since I am high on Pace, I will say that he likely keeps us stocked with players so we don;t have the dip in talent that we had under Jerry (yes, I blame Jerry) where players get old and we could not replace them. The more likely scenario is that we get to and maintain a good level of player talent but don't get past the finish line. And so we don;t truly have to start completely over.
How is that? about 1000 words to say what I could have said in 30. I'm going for 2500 next time.