Post by germansbombedph on Jan 25, 2017 8:48:54 GMT -6
Tebow couldn't win a game, Manning couldn't win a game and he won the SB. Winning a game for a Team =/= able to not lose a game.
the same as having a HC that wants to win a game or a HC that doesn't want to lose. I take the one that wants to win over the one who doesn't want to lose (Fox, Lovie).
Tebow couldn't win a game, Manning couldn't win a game and he won the SB. Winning a game for a Team =/= able to not lose a game.
LOL What?!
DEN has made the POs without a QB when Tebow was their starter.
DEN has won the SB while Manning wasn't good and has just been there to not lose them a game. He hasn't won them games in his last season. He was done by that time.
Hoyer is the best example... He will not win you a game, but he may be good enough to not lose it for you. That's when your D/ST has to put up Points and your RB should be like Howard.
DEN has made the POs without a QB when Tebow was their starter.
DEN has won the SB while Manning wasn't good and has just been there to not lose them a game. He hasn't won them games in his last season. He was done by that time.
Hoyer is the best example... He will not win you a game, but he may be good enough to not lose it for you. That's when your D/ST has to put up Points and your RB should be like Howard.
So we should fire Fangio then...because our running back was Howard and our D/ST didn't put up points...see...what I'm saying here....you're constant changing of the argument is quite tiresome. I'm done here. Pick a position and stick to it in a discussion. This constant bouncing all over the place is exhausting and I'm not doing it with you anymore.
DEN has made the POs without a QB when Tebow was their starter.
DEN has won the SB while Manning wasn't good and has just been there to not lose them a game. He hasn't won them games in his last season. He was done by that time.
Hoyer is the best example... He will not win you a game, but he may be good enough to not lose it for you. That's when your D/ST has to put up Points and your RB should be like Howard.
So we should fire Fangio then...because our running back was Howard and our D/ST didn't put up points...see...what I'm saying here....you're constant changing of the argument is quite tiresome. I'm done here. Pick a position and stick to it in a discussion. This constant bouncing all over the place is exhausting and I'm not doing it with you anymore.
I'm not changing my Position.
I stick with fire Fox and Frodo while keeping Fangio for months now.
You can't just post some stats and say they are true without any context.
The offense puts up Yards but not Points. The offense loses the ball more than it should to give the D a bad starting Position. The Defense is getting scored on a lot, but they don't get that many Yards against.
The D isn't the Problem for sure. It was the offense that couldn't put up Points or take security of the ball. The Defense stopped them for a good Portion of the time, but they get scored on because of bad starting field Position.
yep, I stick with what I said and see 15th in Yards against while in the 20s with Pts against. This alone should tell you about their Quality and our bad O that does not Support them
So we should fire Fangio then...because our running back was Howard and our D/ST didn't put up points...see...what I'm saying here....you're constant changing of the argument is quite tiresome. I'm done here. Pick a position and stick to it in a discussion. This constant bouncing all over the place is exhausting and I'm not doing it with you anymore.
I'm not changing my Position.
I stick with fire Fox and Frodo while keeping Fangio for months now.
You can't just post some stats and say they are true without any context.
The offense puts up Yards but not Points. The offense loses the ball more than it should to give the D a bad starting Position. The Defense is getting scored on a lot, but they don't get that many Yards against.
The D isn't the Problem for sure. It was the offense that couldn't put up Points or take security of the ball. The Defense stopped them for a good Portion of the time, but they get scored on because of bad starting field Position.
yep, I stick with what I said and see 15th in Yards against while in the 20s with Pts against. This alone should tell you about their Quality and our bad O that does not Support them
If you have a standard you have to have that standard for everything. The defense gave up a lot of points. They were 24th in the league.The defense was one of the worst in the league in forcing turnovers. In fact they were THE worst. Fangio has said it's because he needs better players. By your standards thats not a fact Fangio is giving, its an excuse. He should be a better coach and put his players in a position to succeed right? Thats your standard for Fox and Loggains, so why should it not be for Fangio?
If you are uninterested in excuses as you put them, stop offering them up.
I stick with fire Fox and Frodo while keeping Fangio for months now.
You can't just post some stats and say they are true without any context.
The offense puts up Yards but not Points. The offense loses the ball more than it should to give the D a bad starting Position. The Defense is getting scored on a lot, but they don't get that many Yards against.
The D isn't the Problem for sure. It was the offense that couldn't put up Points or take security of the ball. The Defense stopped them for a good Portion of the time, but they get scored on because of bad starting field Position.
yep, I stick with what I said and see 15th in Yards against while in the 20s with Pts against. This alone should tell you about their Quality and our bad O that does not Support them
If you have a standard you have to have that standard for everything. The defense gave up a lot of points. They were 24th in the league.The defense was one of the worst in the league in forcing turnovers. In fact they were THE worst. Fangio has said it's because he needs better players. By your standards thats not a fact Fangio is giving, its an excuse. He should be a better coach and put his players in a position to succeed right? Thats your standard for Fox and Loggains, so why should it not be for Fangio?
If you are uninterested in excuses as you put them, stop offering them up.
It's still a difference. For the Position the D was put in, it wasn't that bad. Fangio made good work and gave Players the Chance to succeed. Leblanc for example did a good Job in his role. Floyd was a good rookie and our FA signings were good. For what we've had, we had a good roster.
We haven't had a good CB with or without the injuries, we've seen some good pressure and have good LBs.
We don't have an offense and we don't have a good secondary. Fangio wants more Talent Overall, not just because of reasons. Fox is the guy hiding behind the injuries, Fangio wants more Talent with or without injuries. You see the difference?
Same with the Yards. D has limited the Yards but still got scored on because of field Position. O put up Yards but couldn't use them to score. As D, I want them to stop the Yards, this will Limit the Points being scored on if they don't start in our half. As O, I want them on the field, putting up Yards to help the D and after putting up Yards, SCORE some Points.
In Fact, you cry about the QBs, yet they all sucked equally bad one way or another.
If you have a standard you have to have that standard for everything. The defense gave up a lot of points. They were 24th in the league.The defense was one of the worst in the league in forcing turnovers. In fact they were THE worst. Fangio has said it's because he needs better players. By your standards thats not a fact Fangio is giving, its an excuse. He should be a better coach and put his players in a position to succeed right? Thats your standard for Fox and Loggains, so why should it not be for Fangio?
If you are uninterested in excuses as you put them, stop offering them up.
It's still a difference. For the Position the D was put in, it wasn't that bad. Fangio made good work and gave Players the Chance to succeed. Leblanc for example did a good Job in his role. Floyd was a good rookie and our FA signings were good. For what we've had, we had a good roster.
We haven't had a good CB with or without the injuries, we've seen some good pressure and have good LBs.
We don't have an offense and we don't have a good secondary. Fangio wants more Talent Overall, not just because of reasons. Fox is the guy hiding behind the injuries, Fangio wants more Talent with or without injuries. You see the difference?
Same with the Yards. D has limited the Yards but still got scored on because of field Position. O put up Yards but couldn't use them to score. As D, I want them to stop the Yards, this will Limit the Points being scored on if they don't start in our half. As O, I want them on the field, putting up Yards to help the D and after putting up Yards, SCORE some Points.
In Fact, you cry about the QBs, yet they all sucked equally bad one way or another.
No...I don't see the difference. You say Fox is hiding behind injuries....but Fangio isn't hiding behind the lack of talent? How exactly does that make any sense to you? Once again, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.