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The state of Foxy Jan 23, 2017 11:36:49 GMT -6

Post by butkus3595 on Jan 23, 2017 11:36:49 GMT -6

Jan 23, 2017 11:33:03 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Jan 23, 2017 11:30:03 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

LOL...yep....DB play....WR play...sometimes o-line play, D-Line play...lot's of things at play...or in our case...not playing...

Well, if you are looking for a full team of guys playing great ball, then you are looking for a SB caliber team. No one said we had that, but there is a large spread between a SB team and a 3 win team.

I'll start with just a full team playing....a full team playing great ball would be icing on the cake.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:36:49 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Jan 23, 2017 11:33:03 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Well, if you are looking for a full team of guys playing great ball, then you are looking for a SB caliber team. No one said we had that, but there is a large spread between a SB team and a 3 win team.

I'll start with just a full team playing....a full team playing great ball would be icing on the cake.

Meh... the guys were playing. I don't think effort was the determinant. I think talent both at the player and coaching level were more the issue

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The state of Foxy Jan 23, 2017 11:52:24 GMT -6

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Jan 23, 2017 11:39:36 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Jan 23, 2017 11:36:49 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

I'll start with just a full team playing....a full team playing great ball would be icing on the cake.

Meh... the guys were playing. I don't think effort was the determinant. I think talent both at the player and coaching level were more the issue

I never doubted the effort. It's the bolded part that was, and became an even bigger issue as the season went on. We've discussed this a million times. Are the coaches fully absolved? No. But here's what I know as a guy who coached at a public school with not a lot of talent. Sometimes as a coach I had to make a decision that had I had better talent I would not have made because in my mind it was the only way to give the talent I did have a chance to be put in a successful position...and that decision didn't always work out. Sometimes it didn't work out not because it wasn't the right call, but because my talent was even good enough to make the play despite being put in the place to make it. Sometimes it didn't work out because I guessed wrong, and other times it really wouldn't have mattered one way or the other.

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Jan 23, 2017 11:28:55 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Jan 23, 2017 8:54:40 GMT -6 JABF said:

When you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers you are able to win games that other teams can't. The year Green Bay won the Super Bowl they were dealing with a ton of injuries. But Aaron Rodgers was still able win a lot of games with what talent they had left. We don't have that Aaron Rodgers guy. I watched a Patriots team yesterday who had a lot of KEY injuries - just dismember a great Steelers team. Tom Brady took them apart with surgical precision. Jay Cutler can't do that. And guys like Barkley and Fales sure as heck can't. Or the other deadbeat, Brian Hoyer.

Until we get a "big boy" quarterback, we are not going to do much as a team. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nothing good is coming from that.

OK. Well you think 3 wins was appropriate because of our qb. Fair enough. I just disagree. More than a QB is at play here.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Not at all. We have a lot of things wrong with this franchise right now. The QB woes are just one. But that - in and of itself - is a terminal wound. It's a killler problem in and of itself. But we do have other issues as well. It's the sorry state the team is in right now.

The mishandling of the Emery/Trestman hiring was fatal.

Allowing the roster talent to atrophy to a critical point was fatal to the max.

Poor drafting spanning years killed us.

Fox could be a major problem, but the extent of the coaching problems are hard to sort out (for me) at this point.

Pace has made mistakes, but mixed in with those are a number of really good things too.

I'm going to just watch what this 2017 team does, and then make up my mind about Fox. I keep hoping he fools us all and is a good coach. If not then we have to do the new HC thing - again.

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The state of Foxy Jan 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Jan 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -6

Jan 13, 2017 11:20:42 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Jan 13, 2017 11:14:05 GMT -6 JABF said:

One thing that may help us in this regard is that the Bears are giving Fox this 3rd year rather than firing him after his 2nd season that was marred with so many injured players - on top of having a poor level of talent to begin with.

If a promising coach has a choice between a team that has allowed a new coach some time to turn a team around (a fair chance to rebuild) versus a team that is impatient and quick to fire a coach - then I would think that promising coach will choose the team that gives him the better chance to succeed. Of course a coach that isn't as good may jump to any team just to get a shot at a HC job.

So, giving Fox this 3rd year may be helpful if we need to replace him at the end of 2017. Sometimes multiple teams are pursuing the same guy, so who knows, maybe this will be helpful.

Also, if they don't extend Fox at the end of next year, I keep hoping for a shot at Harbaugh. Still a longshot, but with each passing year there is less on Fox's contract and probably less buyout on Harbaugh's although I don't know how it is structured for sure. Probably still too expensive. All we know is that Harbaugh would like to coach here. Whether or not he wants to more than where he is or whether management wants him to coach the Bears are two whole other issues. But hell, one can hope.

I would be thrilled if that would happen. I watched the Patriots game last night. Even if you hate Darth Belichick, I gotta hand it to him. The guy knows talent. And he coaches his ass off. They lost Brady for 4 games this year and never even had a hiccup. Just kept winning 3 of 4 like it was a walk in the park.

His roster always has rejects from other teams, and cheap pickups of journeyman guys who never amounted to much elsewhere. But he understands how to get the most out of this rag-tag mix of players each year. Brady is a great QB. But when he is gone you just know Belichick will have some guy to reload with - and it won't be a 1st round draft pick QB either. I guarantee you it won't. But it will be a guy who they will win super bowls with.

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Jan 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 13, 2017 11:20:42 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Also, if they don't extend Fox at the end of next year, I keep hoping for a shot at Harbaugh. Still a longshot, but with each passing year there is less on Fox's contract and probably less buyout on Harbaugh's although I don't know how it is structured for sure. Probably still too expensive. All we know is that Harbaugh would like to coach here. Whether or not he wants to more than where he is or whether management wants him to coach the Bears are two whole other issues. But hell, one can hope.

I would be thrilled if that would happen. I watched the Patriots game last night. Even if you hate Darth Belichick, I gotta hand it to him. The guy knows talent. And he coaches his ass off. They lost Brady for 4 games this year and never even had a hiccup. Just kept winning 3 of 4 like it was a walk in the park.

His roster always has rejects from other teams, and cheap pickups of journeyman guys who never amounted to much elsewhere. But he understands how to get the most out of this rag-tag mix of players each year. Brady is a great QB. But when he is gone you just know Belichick will have some guy to reload with - and it won't be a 1st round draft pick QB either. I guarantee you it won't. But it will be a guy who they will win super bowls with.

I've always thought that when Brady leaves so will Bill, but you are probably right

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The state of Foxy Jan 23, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -6

Post by butkus3595 on Jan 23, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -6

Jan 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 13, 2017 11:20:42 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Also, if they don't extend Fox at the end of next year, I keep hoping for a shot at Harbaugh. Still a longshot, but with each passing year there is less on Fox's contract and probably less buyout on Harbaugh's although I don't know how it is structured for sure. Probably still too expensive. All we know is that Harbaugh would like to coach here. Whether or not he wants to more than where he is or whether management wants him to coach the Bears are two whole other issues. But hell, one can hope.

I would be thrilled if that would happen. I watched the Patriots game last night. Even if you hate Darth Belichick, I gotta hand it to him. The guy knows talent. And he coaches his ass off. They lost Brady for 4 games this year and never even had a hiccup. Just kept winning 3 of 4 like it was a walk in the park.

His roster always has rejects from other teams, and cheap pickups of journeyman guys who never amounted to much elsewhere. But he understands how to get the most out of this rag-tag mix of players each year. Brady is a great QB. But when he is gone you just know Belichick will have some guy to reload with - and it won't be a 1st round draft pick QB either. I guarantee you it won't. But it will be a guy who they will win super bowls with.

Well...as of right now it will probably be Brissette. But the Patriots will spend a high pick on a QB. Hell they spent a 2nd on Garappalo even though they didn't need him. They'll identify the guy and take him when they need to.

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Post by JABF on Jan 23, 2017 13:15:51 GMT -6

Jan 23, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Jan 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -6 JABF said:

I would be thrilled if that would happen. I watched the Patriots game last night. Even if you hate Darth Belichick, I gotta hand it to him. The guy knows talent. And he coaches his ass off. They lost Brady for 4 games this year and never even had a hiccup. Just kept winning 3 of 4 like it was a walk in the park.

His roster always has rejects from other teams, and cheap pickups of journeyman guys who never amounted to much elsewhere. But he understands how to get the most out of this rag-tag mix of players each year. Brady is a great QB. But when he is gone you just know Belichick will have some guy to reload with - and it won't be a 1st round draft pick QB either. I guarantee you it won't. But it will be a guy who they will win super bowls with.

Well...as of right now it will probably be Brissette. But the Patriots will spend a high pick on a QB. Hell they spent a 2nd on Garappalo even though they didn't need him. They'll identify the guy and take him when they need to.

I'd bet anything it won't be a 1st round guy. It may be a 2nd or 3rd round. Or a later round guy, like he did with Tom Brady, a 6th round pick & a compensatory pick at that. Or maybe a reject from another team. I just know in my heart that Belichick will make gold out of some kid. We see that every year on the Pats. LOL, it's like Belichick is some mad scientist guy who is brilliant at what he does.

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Post by germansbombedph on Jan 24, 2017 1:33:30 GMT -6

Jan 23, 2017 8:43:34 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Jan 23, 2017 8:41:08 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

It's still a fact that he used injuries as excuses (Excuses are for losers) yet the Packers found a way to overcome missing Key Players on both sides of the ball. It's still a fact that in his whole HC carreer, he was never able to Coach up a rookie. He's not going to develop one for us now all of a sudden.

What do the Packers have that we don't?

I know they have Rodgers, but they've had lots of injuries too and they don't hide behind them. Rodgers hasn't played good the first half of the season and yet, the Team was good enough.

They have a better HC for sure.

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