Well...when Fox starts actually coaching the QB position I would be better able to analyze his ability to develop a QB. But seeing as how he was a DC, and then the HC and doesn't coach any position groups...I guess the jury is out on this one. Seriously...thats pretty ridiculous.
Well, I guess we'll find out. Get gets to practice on our shiny new qb
Hopefully. Nothing set in stone yet. Either way it won't be Fox who is responsible for his development...it will be the QB coach and the OC.
Well, I guess we'll find out. Get gets to practice on our shiny new qb
Hopefully. Nothing set in stone yet. Either way it won't be Fox who is responsible for his development...it will be the QB coach and the OC.
So you don't think it will be Fox that decides whether the new qb will play or sit and develop? And you don't think that decision is part of how he develops? Really? Fox has an impact on his development no matter how you try to insulate him. The way they handle their new qb is pivotal in what happens to that young man and I think that decision is too important to Fox's career to think he won't be a part of it. Also, the guy responsible for his actual development will be following the direction and philosophy set down by the HC. If Fox believes you play a high pick regardless of if he is a QB, then that guy is going to play. Sorry. Don't buy that Fox is a bystander here. He is going to be instrumental in the new qb development regardless of whether or not he is tasked with the actual day to day training
Hopefully. Nothing set in stone yet. Either way it won't be Fox who is responsible for his development...it will be the QB coach and the OC.
So you don't think it will be Fox that decides whether the new qb will play or sit and develop? And you don't think that decision is part of how he develops? Really? Fox has an impact on his development no matter how you try to insulate him. The way the handle their new qb is pivotal in what happens to that young man and I think that decision is too important to Fox'starts career to think he won't be a part of it. Also, the guy responsible for his actual development will be following the direction and philosophy set down by the HC. If Fox believes you play a high pick regardless of if he is a QB, then that guy is going to play. Sorry. Don't buy that Fox is a bystander here. He is going to be instrumental in the new qb development regardless of whether or not he is tasked with the actual day to day training
Why are the two mutually exclusive? In an ideal world I'd prefer a young QB sit...but that doesn't mean they need to. What if the draftee comes in and lights it up in the pre-season ala Dak? An argument could be made either way that development happens when they play or if they sit. The idea if the QB plays is to run an offense that plays to the QB's strengths and hides their weaknesses...kind of like what happened in Denver with Tebow. I know the popular theme is to think Fox is a moron around here...but it just doesn't play well with his history.
I just find this whole "Fox never developed a QB so why would he now" argument silly. What QB did Belichick develop before Brady? Should they have not drafted him? What QB did Carrol develop before Wilson? What QB did Coughlin develop before Eli? You see where I'm going here?
Here is part of an article about getting a QB. The article appears to agree that a QB is needed, but at the end has this to say:
The thing is there is a problem. Fox, in his entire coaching history has never successfully developed a quarterback coming out of college. Not once. His greatest runs of success were with free agents. First it was Jake Delhomme in Carolina and then Peyton Manning in Denver. The 2017 crop of free agents is looking very weak outside of Kirk Cousins who will be 29 next year and likely won’t even reach the market.
Fox is a defensive guy. He hasn’t shown he understands what it takes to develop a quarterback almost from scratch. Why should the Bears suddenly think he can do pull it off now? He’ll be 62-years old next year. This job might be too important for one with his age and background.
Time will tell. Black Monday is a month and a half away, the draft three months after that. Plenty to discuss over that coming span.
Yes, the article is from the illustrious Sports Mockery, but I can't fault anything they said about Fox and his lack of experience (at age 62) in developing new QBs. You just throw 'em in just like everyone else dontchyaknow. The article speculates that Fox used injuries and that he was only a QB away from having a good season. No doubt those were factors. Non-trivial factors, but I would say that he is one season of injuries, q QB and a HC away from a good season.
During the GB game, they talked about how they had been devastated with injuries but still almost made it to the SB again. Yeah, they had Rodgers. We had nothing close, but they had almost as many injuries as we did if I'm not mistaken and I dunno. We just had three wins.
Well...when Fox starts actually coaching the QB position I would be better able to analyze his ability to develop a QB. But seeing as how he was a DC, and then the HC and doesn't coach any position groups...I guess the jury is out on this one. Seriously...thats pretty ridiculous.
It's still a fact that he used injuries as excuses (Excuses are for losers) yet the Packers found a way to overcome missing Key Players on both sides of the ball. It's still a fact that in his whole HC carreer, he was never able to Coach up a rookie. He's not going to develop one for us now all of a sudden.
Well...when Fox starts actually coaching the QB position I would be better able to analyze his ability to develop a QB. But seeing as how he was a DC, and then the HC and doesn't coach any position groups...I guess the jury is out on this one. Seriously...thats pretty ridiculous.
It's still a fact that he used injuries as excuses (Excuses are for losers) yet the Packers found a way to overcome missing Key Players on both sides of the ball. It's still a fact that in his whole HC carreer, he was never able to Coach up a rookie. He's not going to develop one for us now all of a sudden.
Watching the playoffs it reinforced the fact of how important it is to have a good QB. The final-4 teams all had solid QBs. We all know that some teams have won super bowls without a great QB, but that is the exception, and sustained winning - franchises who are always pretty decent teams, have a solid QB. A smart QB too. Even the exception years where a mediocre QB won a SB, those guys were pretty football smart for the most part. Not Jay Cutler guys.
We are going nowhere as a franchise until we get a solid QB. I don't care who the coach is. I don't care if we try the Lovie Smith thing by having a great scoring defense. You gotta have a solid QB or you are going nowhere.
I agree that we are going to a SB until we fix the QB. That wasn't my point. I was saying that they had just as many injuries as us and they were 1 game away from a SB but us with a lousy QB only won 3 games. I know you need a good qb to get to a SB, but with the I juries about equal, still seems we should have done better
When you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers you are able to win games that other teams can't. The year Green Bay won the Super Bowl they were dealing with a ton of injuries. But Aaron Rodgers was still able win a lot of games with what talent they had left. We don't have that Aaron Rodgers guy. I watched a Patriots team yesterday who had a lot of KEY injuries - just dismember a great Steelers team. Tom Brady took them apart with surgical precision. Jay Cutler can't do that. And guys like Barkley and Fales sure as heck can't. Or the other deadbeat, Brian Hoyer.
Until we get a "big boy" quarterback, we are not going to do much as a team. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nothing good is coming from that.
So you don't think it will be Fox that decides whether the new qb will play or sit and develop? And you don't think that decision is part of how he develops? Really? Fox has an impact on his development no matter how you try to insulate him. The way the handle their new qb is pivotal in what happens to that young man and I think that decision is too important to Fox'starts career to think he won't be a part of it. Also, the guy responsible for his actual development will be following the direction and philosophy set down by the HC. If Fox believes you play a high pick regardless of if he is a QB, then that guy is going to play. Sorry. Don't buy that Fox is a bystander here. He is going to be instrumental in the new qb development regardless of whether or not he is tasked with the actual day to day training
Why are the two mutually exclusive? In an ideal world I'd prefer a young QB sit...but that doesn't mean they need to. What if the draftee comes in and lights it up in the pre-season ala Dak? An argument could be made either way that development happens when they play or if they sit. The idea if the QB plays is to run an offense that plays to the QB's strengths and hides their weaknesses...kind of like what happened in Denver with Tebow. I know the popular theme is to think Fox is a moron around here...but it just doesn't play well with his history.
I just find this whole "Fox never developed a QB so why would he now" argument silly. What QB did Belichick develop before Brady? Should they have not drafted him? What QB did Carrol develop before Wilson? What QB did Coughlin develop before Eli? You see where I'm going here?
They don't have to be mutually exclusive. It's just that they normally are. We'll have to table this until we see who we get, how he performs, what they do with him, and what the results are before we really have anything more of substance to evaluate. And when we do, I'm pretty sure we won't agree anyway! 😀
I agree that we are going to a SB until we fix the QB. That wasn't my point. I was saying that they had just as many injuries as us and they were 1 game away from a SB but us with a lousy QB only won 3 games. I know you need a good qb to get to a SB, but with the I juries about equal, still seems we should have done better
When you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers you are able to win games that other teams can't. The year Green Bay won the Super Bowl they were dealing with a ton of injuries. But Aaron Rodgers was still able win a lot of games with what talent they had left. We don't have that Aaron Rodgers guy. I watched a Patriots team yesterday who had a lot of KEY injuries - just dismember a great Steelers team. Tom Brady took them apart with surgical precision. Jay Cutler can't do that. And guys like Barkley and Fales sure as heck can't. Or the other deadbeat, Brian Hoyer.
Until we get a "big boy" quarterback, we are not going to do much as a team. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nothing good is coming from that.
OK. Well you think 3 wins was appropriate because of our qb. Fair enough. I just disagree. More than a QB is at play here.
When you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers you are able to win games that other teams can't. The year Green Bay won the Super Bowl they were dealing with a ton of injuries. But Aaron Rodgers was still able win a lot of games with what talent they had left. We don't have that Aaron Rodgers guy. I watched a Patriots team yesterday who had a lot of KEY injuries - just dismember a great Steelers team. Tom Brady took them apart with surgical precision. Jay Cutler can't do that. And guys like Barkley and Fales sure as heck can't. Or the other deadbeat, Brian Hoyer.
Until we get a "big boy" quarterback, we are not going to do much as a team. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nothing good is coming from that.
OK. Well you think 3 wins was appropriate because of our qb. Fair enough. I just disagree. More than a QB is at play here.
LOL...yep....DB play....WR play...sometimes o-line play, D-Line play...lot's of things at play...or in our case...not playing...
OK. Well you think 3 wins was appropriate because of our qb. Fair enough. I just disagree. More than a QB is at play here.
LOL...yep....DB play....WR play...sometimes o-line play, D-Line play...lot's of things at play...or in our case...not playing...
Well, if you are looking for a full team of guys playing great ball, then you are looking for a SB caliber team. No one said we had that, but there is a large spread between a SB team and a 3 win team.