They're saying Hurtt might be coming out my way to the Jets...which I really don't get to be quite honest. You think fox is on a hot seat, Bowles is just as hot if not hotter. I just can't see that one happening...I still think he ends up in Miami.
If this has already been posted I apologize but Hurtt did not leave for a better position or even a better team. Since Fox maintained there would be no changes in his staff two coaches have been let go and in both cases I think the reasons make sense but Drayton and Hurtt were very obviously top notch position coaches. Drayton left for the college ranks and Hurtt to take a deal with a team whose in about as bad a shape as the Bears.
The problem is internal guys and just adding a few more players and a new QB is not gonna fix it. You can both quote me on it and force feed me my crow dinner if I'm wrong.
Bears LB coach leaves team for similar position with Jets by Bryan Perez
When linebackers coach Clint Hurtt decided against returning to Chicago for the 2017 season, it was assumed he had a better job opportunity awaiting him.
Instead, Hurtt is joining the New York Jets' staff on a two-year contract to coach the team's outside linebackers.
This story is worth monitoring because it gives a sneak peek inside what's going on with the Bears' coaching staff. For Hurtt to leave the club in what appears to be a lateral move suggests that he was either forced out by John Fox or he simply no longer wanted to work for Fox and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
While we don't know all the specifics about his deal with the Jets yet, the fact Hurtt decided his future was better served coaching with Todd Bowles and the Jets speaks volumes about the state of affairs in Chicago.
We'll update this story as more information becomes available.
"the Bears had previously blocked him from pursuing other opportunities in years past."...that right there would make me want to say FU at the first opportunity lol
He was denied an opportunity (not multiple opportunities) because 1) he was under contract, and 2) it also a lateral move not a promotion to a DC position. He's a very good coach and if the Bears had let him walk than 90% of you would have been bitching about that so don't come around now with this song and dance about not being allowed to leave.
I'm not directing this only at you seqq. It's more global than that.
Some of you guys need to start reading more and learning the actual facts about stuff like this instead of simply assuming an article you've read is 100% accurate. Our discussions and debates would probably bear more fruit and be less contentious if you did. The ONLY time Hurtt asked out was last year and he was still under contract so it was denied.
Since Fox maintained there would be no changes in his staff two coaches have been let go and in both cases I think the reasons make sense but Drayton and Hurtt were very obviously top notch position coaches.
Not sure what conference you heard. Here is the question and response.
Question: "John, any changes on your staff."
FOX:"Again, there are a lot of changes. I can tell you our coordinators are in tact. I know there were different reports throughout the season. Again, it's still too early to say (about other coaches). It's kind of like players. We're in that process."
I guess everyone but me is not surprised. Where I come from, if you like what you do and who you are doing it with, you don;t leave unless you have something better. Maybe both of these guys do, but I would have expected to read that "they are leaving for" and someplace new. So color me skeptical
Perhaps he's leaving for a job with a coach who has yet to be named a coach...but I guess its easier to just continue to assume everyone hates Fox and can't wait to get out of town. Must be why Fox has always had such trouble putting together staffs of good coaches...because everyone who works with him can't stand him...cause that sort of thing wouldn't go around the league or anything...
He's going to coach for Todd Bowles isn't he? And hasn't Bowles been mentioned as one of the HC prospects Pace preferred to Fox? Why are you guessing here when just a little bit of knowledge or research would give you the correct answer to your "perhaps"?
I might also add that "putting together" ain't the same as "keeping together".
My guess is that a few see more handwriting on the wall than you or others care to see. I don't hate John Fox either. I simply feel he's not the right HC for the Bears period. That's it and no more. We had ample opportunity to hire younger HCs on either side of the ball including Gase over Fox but once again I feel that the decisions made by Phillips and GMC impacted that and continue to negatively impact the team.
So it's not Fox the man I dislike it's just Fox the coach of the Bears.
Since Fox maintained there would be no changes in his staff two coaches have been let go and in both cases I think the reasons make sense but Drayton and Hurtt were very obviously top notch position coaches.
Not sure what conference you heard. Here is the question and response.
Question: "John, any changes on your staff."
FOX:"Again, there are a lot of changes. I can tell you our coordinators are in tact. I know there were different reports throughout the season. Again, it's still too early to say (about other coaches). It's kind of like players. We're in that process."
Belli, prior to the presser Fox claimed there would be no changes. Now I realize that first all of he shouldn't even been talking about that period before his own job had been publicly confirmed but he did. That fact isn't deniable.
This is just one of the many issue I have with Fox as a coach. One is he often fails to see the forest for the trees and the other is his arrogance and seemingly cocksure attitude that he's far more correct than the media and fans who see the same things and come to a very different opinion.
I don't hate the man but there are just so many instances and so much evidence that he hasn't a clue at times about even his own players or staff that I can't overlook that and I won't overlook that. He's here for another year so if the results are much different next year at this time and we're looking at playing our first playoff game you are welcome to call me out on it then but for now I remain unconvinced.
@soulman. Got a transcription of those comments and the question?
Whether you do or don't, it's beside the point. As a follower of the NFL, you know damn well that coaches come and go on every staff at the end of the season. While we can sit on our asses and develop narratives to fit our limited understanding of the relationships between coaches, there are millions of potential reasons why coaches (at the end of their contracts) might choose to change staffs. Increased pay Better location More time to be with family Better relationships with the staff Decreased responsibility when feeling stressed Better promotion opportunities and many more
You obviously have a skeptical lens with which you view every step in the Bears organization and you have a web like negative narrative you try to fit it all to.
Should we start a thread about all of the coaching changes throughout the league at the end of every year and then begin speculation and interpretation as to why they all left, too?
@soulman . Got a transcription of those comments and the question?
Whether you do or don't, it's beside the point. As a follower of the NFL, you know damn well that coaches come and go on every staff at the end of the season. While we can sit on our asses and develop narratives to fit our limited understanding of the relationships between coaches, there are millions of potential reasons why coaches (at the end of their contracts) might choose to change staffs. Increased pay Better location More time to be with family Better relationships with the staff Decreased responsibility when feeling stressed Better promotion opportunities and many more
You obviously have a skeptical lens with which you view every step in the Bears organization and you have a web like negative narrative you try to fit it all to.
Should we start a thread about all of the coaching changes throughout the league at the end of every year and then begin speculation and interpretation as to why they all left, too?
Belli it came from an interview last week. A full week before the presser and I posted on it and commented on it and it inappropriateness then. I don't have to make shit up around here to back my posts. I think you and most everyone else knows that too. So no, I will not do a search for my posts about it but you are more then welcome to if you doubt me or whether it was said.
For over 30 years the Bears ownership has woefully mismanaged this team. They have finally earned my skepticism and have forced me to admit. More of late than in the past. I'm also not alone in that regard so let's not pretend that I am OK?
There are logic trails that lead to logical conclusions and if I tend to use them well then I do. You can cast that in whatever light you like. No one else is required to do that or see it my way if they choose not to. But I have called them as I see 'em and I will keep doing it until I see honest and committed change on the part of the Bears organization.