And @bearsinhouston it's nothing personal with you so please don't take it that way...it just all seems a bit much lately.
butkus --- after all this time, you should know me better than that. I don't take it personally at all. I just don't understand what you are getting worked up about. You talk about people saying things with no factual basis, but what you don't see is that you are doing that very thing. You don't know that he is going elsewhere with an unnamed coach. You very well may be right. I hope you are because that takes some air out of the "Fox sucks" balloon. THe thing I see with you is that you freely admit (as I have) that it is all speculation and you could be wrong. So that is what puzzles me. You understand you can be wrong. Most people don't get that far. So once you get there it seems a shorter step not to get irritated when someone has a different opinion and also realizes they may be wrong.
But that's it.... done. I don't want to go on about this forever. It doesn't merit a long going over and probably does not merit how much time we spent on it already. Just surprised me.
So, I'll just take responsibility for making something out of nothing and call it my fault.
Look, Fox says staff is staying intact and people are leaving. who, then, is lying or doesn't know? Fox.
You can only block sideways moves, so the guy left as soon as he could. Now, losing an OLB coach that's a holdover might not be something to pin on Fox but if our current HC didn't see it coming his judgment is suspect.
If his contract is over (I think that was the case here), you can't block him at all. He can leave because he sees greener pastures, has been promised something better that has not been announced, or he just doesn't like it here and would rather risk being unemployed (which for a guy with his resume, he knows will not happen). Any of those could be the case. But since we don't know which actually IS the case, it depends on you how much vigor you want to defend your position with.
Look, Fox says staff is staying intact and people are leaving. who, then, is lying or doesn't know? Fox.
You can only block sideways moves, so the guy left as soon as he could. Now, losing an OLB coach that's a holdover might not be something to pin on Fox but if our current HC didn't see it coming his judgment is suspect.
And @bearsinhouston it's nothing personal with you so please don't take it that way...it just all seems a bit much lately.
butkus --- after all this time, you should know me better than that. I don't take it personally at all. I just don't understand what you are getting worked up about. You talk about people saying things with no factual basis, but what you don't see is that you are doing that very thing. You don't know that he is going elsewhere with an unnamed coach. You very well may be right. I hope you are because that takes some air out of the "Fox sucks" balloon. THe thing I see with you is that you freely admit (as I have) that it is all speculation and you could be wrong. So that is what puzzles me. You understand you can be wrong. Most people don't get that far. So once you get there it seems a shorter step not to get irritated when someone has a different opinion and also realizes they may be wrong.
But that's it.... done. I don't want to go on about this forever. It doesn't merit a long going over and probably does not merit how much time we spent on it already. Just surprised me.
So, I'll just take responsibility for making something out of nothing and call it my fault.
Yeah, I freely admit I sometimes over react so this could have just been an over reaction to what I perceive as an over reaction...which is now a hell of a rabbit hole we've gone down! LOL.
Look, Fox says staff is staying intact and people are leaving. who, then, is lying or doesn't know? Fox.
You can only block sideways moves, so the guy left as soon as he could. Now, losing an OLB coach that's a holdover might not be something to pin on Fox but if our current HC didn't see it coming his judgment is suspect.
If his contract is over (I think that was the case here), you can't block him at all. He can leave because he sees greener pastures, has been promised something better that has not been announced, or he just doesn't like it here and would rather risk being unemployed (which for a guy with his resume, he knows will not happen). Any of those could be the case. But since we don't know which actually IS the case, it depends on you how much vigor you want to defend your position with.
Hurtt is from Miami and from what I've heard he loves it there. I'm interested to see if thats where he really ends up. Also, ala Pep Hamilton going back college to coach at Michigan, I've also heard he truly enjoyed coaching in college and may want to go back there.
butkus --- after all this time, you should know me better than that. I don't take it personally at all. I just don't understand what you are getting worked up about. You talk about people saying things with no factual basis, but what you don't see is that you are doing that very thing. You don't know that he is going elsewhere with an unnamed coach. You very well may be right. I hope you are because that takes some air out of the "Fox sucks" balloon. THe thing I see with you is that you freely admit (as I have) that it is all speculation and you could be wrong. So that is what puzzles me. You understand you can be wrong. Most people don't get that far. So once you get there it seems a shorter step not to get irritated when someone has a different opinion and also realizes they may be wrong.
But that's it.... done. I don't want to go on about this forever. It doesn't merit a long going over and probably does not merit how much time we spent on it already. Just surprised me.
So, I'll just take responsibility for making something out of nothing and call it my fault.
Yeah, I freely admit I sometimes over react so this could have just been an over reaction to what I perceive as an over reaction...which is now a hell of a rabbit hole we've gone down! LOL.
yeah... no biggie. We (probably I) managed to turn it into more of a biggie than it deserved. Just kind of surprised at the reaction and should have just waited it out. Let's just move on!
Not really I understand where your angst is coming from. Neither one of us can say for certainty that we are either right or wrong. Yet you seem to get kinda anxious when something other than your preferred position gets posited. So you have a different position than I do. Am I doing this wrong? Should I be getting all butt hurt because you feel Fox is not the issue?
What's the deal?
My angst is that it seems people want to blame Fox for every little thing from the Bears going 3-13 to Russians hacking the DNC to climate change. I mean my goodness. People have left for a promotion! Is Belichick awful to work for because his assistants keep on leaving...some more than once? I mean thats the theory being promoted here...right? Drayton got a promotion. Hurtt, I can almost guarantee is going to get a promotion...one he certainly wouldn't get here with Fangio here.
It's like people have forgotten Fox routinely puts together good coaching staffs. Blame him for the things he deserves blame for. People getting promoted isn't one of them.
It's just normal for all of us to be angry with the way the team has performed in recent years. We may not be directing that anger at the same person, but we are all hopping mad at the situation the franchise is in.
We may have passionately debated whether or not Fox should be fired and injuries are a legitimate excuse/reason for our shitty performance this year. However there are no hard feelings. I know we've all had heated discussions before but just because we happen to disagree on certain things doesn't mean I'm offended. It's nothing personal and I hope you feel the same way.
I still like you and respect your opinion and I do enjoy your posts about health and player safety.