Speaking of prosepcts, Fox is coacing the Senior bowl, and it was pointed out that Jason Garret got to work with and see Dak, who they decided to take a shot on in the 4th. So maybe getting to see some of the mid round prospects will help Fox/Pace figure out the mid rounds.
So.... that entails even less risk but it still doesn't answer the only question I asked Ric. Would you or would you not spend the #3 overall pick and $28-$30 mil guaranteed over 4 yeas on one of those guys? Not our 4th round pick. Our first round pick. If you want to talk about later rounds start another thread. This one is only dealing with that #3 overall pick.
Soul. You are asking the wrong question. Would PACE spend the #3 pick and that money on one of these qb's. Doesn't matter what you I or any other post would do b/c we have no say in it. We don't have a team of scouts that have been to multiple games scouting all these QB's, we don't have the ability to sit down and break down film. We don't have the ability to go to the Combine/pro days and sit down and watch them work and talk w/them and see how they can break down plays.
But again, 1 pick and 28-30 mil over 4 years, or multiple picks and 35-60 mil a year on a guy w/2 more NFL starts and in a system that has never had a qb look bad. And that is going off the assumption that they don't draft a guy in rounds 2 or 3. But that's why Pace is paid. He has access to information that we don't.
But the fact that this team is in this situation is b/c they HAVEN'T drafted a qb in round 1-4 since Orton, that's just way to long, there have been chances for them to address this in the past, and now they're painted into a corner.
No need to overdraft those that have naturally fallen.
Remember Bears liked KO but had other "needs" but couldn't not take him in the 4th when he was still there. Very possible that Dallas did the same.
And Jerrah knew he was going to fall to the 4th before he had to take him? He is even smarter than Fox
See now your just playing. No their intention was to NOT likely to draft him b/c they had other positions that were needed for a playoff run; again see Chicago in 04. It wasn't until the Dak was such a bargain that they couldn't ignore it.
Again look at how the Bears qb roster looked, they had no intention of drafting a QB even though they had Orton rated higher then a 4th. It wasn't until they saw him sitting there that they had to take a shot at him. Angelo was very clear about that after the draft. And I have no doubt Jerrah and Garrett were the same way. Holy shit that guy's still on the board? F it lets grab him.
And Jerrah knew he was going to fall to the 4th before he had to take him? He is even smarter than Fox
See now your just playing. No their intention was to NOT likely to draft him b/c they had other positions that were needed for a playoff run; again see Chicago in 04. It wasn't until the Dak was such a bargain that they couldn't ignore it.
Again look at how the Bears qb roster looked, they had no intention of drafting a QB even though they had Orton rated higher then a 4th. It wasn't until they saw him sitting there that they had to take a shot at him. Angelo was very clear about that after the draft. And I have no doubt Jerrah and Garrett were the same way. Holy shit that guy's still on the board? F it lets grab him.
lol... nah.. not playin. Just sayin...
Not buying that they knew he would be as good as he is. And that if they did know they would not have waited until the fourth. As good as he has turned out to be (he could still regress), he would have been a 1st round pick. Any QB needy team would have picked him in the 1st or 2nd latest if they knew then what they know now. You don't let him slip to the 4th. That just means they didn't know. If you don't agree, fine. But it's what I believe.
See now your just playing. No their intention was to NOT likely to draft him b/c they had other positions that were needed for a playoff run; again see Chicago in 04. It wasn't until the Dak was such a bargain that they couldn't ignore it.
Again look at how the Bears qb roster looked, they had no intention of drafting a QB even though they had Orton rated higher then a 4th. It wasn't until they saw him sitting there that they had to take a shot at him. Angelo was very clear about that after the draft. And I have no doubt Jerrah and Garrett were the same way. Holy shit that guy's still on the board? F it lets grab him.
lol... nah.. not playin. Just sayin...
Not buying that they knew he would be as good as he is. And that if they did know they would not have waited until the fourth. As good as he has turned out to be (he could still regress), he would have been a 1st round pick. Any QB needy team would have picked him in the 1st or 2nd latest if they knew then what they know now. You don't let him slip to the 4th. That just means they didn't know. If you don't agree, fine. But it's what I believe.
Well ya there is no way they knew he would look this good, no one would have known. But again this is why scouting these guys is so hard. How could a scout know that Dak would work that hard in the offseason on his foot work under center and his throwing mechanics? And even if they did know, who would have known it would take on so quickly?
Not buying that they knew he would be as good as he is. And that if they did know they would not have waited until the fourth. As good as he has turned out to be (he could still regress), he would have been a 1st round pick. Any QB needy team would have picked him in the 1st or 2nd latest if they knew then what they know now. You don't let him slip to the 4th. That just means they didn't know. If you don't agree, fine. But it's what I believe.
Well ya there is no way they knew he would look this good, no one would have known. But again this is why scouting these guys is so hard. How could a scout know that Dak would work that hard in the offseason on his foot work under center and his throwing mechanics? And even if they did know, who would have known it would take on so quickly?
you can't. That is why being a scout is like being a weatherman. You really are guessing when it comes right down to it.
Well ya there is no way they knew he would look this good, no one would have known. But again this is why scouting these guys is so hard. How could a scout know that Dak would work that hard in the offseason on his foot work under center and his throwing mechanics? And even if they did know, who would have known it would take on so quickly?
you can't. That is why being a scout is like being a weatherman. You really are guessing when it comes right down to it.
well educated guessing. You can see the physical traits and maybe some decision making but you'll never know if the kid wants to be a pro's pro and work on his craft, or if he thinks he's already a finished/near finished product.
you can't. That is why being a scout is like being a weatherman. You really are guessing when it comes right down to it.
well educated guessing. You can see the physical traits and maybe some decision making but you'll never know if the kid wants to be a pro's pro and work on his craft, or if he thinks he's already a finished/near finished product.
Of course. I didn't mean it to sound like they are throwing darts (the Angelo method). There are a LOT of resources and money and time that go into the analysis. But in the end, I still think it may not be a lot different than throwing darts after all.
you can't. That is why being a scout is like being a weatherman. You really are guessing when it comes right down to it.
well educated guessing. You can see the physical traits and maybe some decision making but you'll never know if the kid wants to be a pro's pro and work on his craft, or if he thinks he's already a finished/near finished product.
I figure scouting is more of an art form than a science. I do believe there are scouts who get it right more than others though. I think it is something of an "it" factor for scouts. They just have a gift for judging these kids regarding their performance when they transition to the NFL.
BIH, I liked the weatherman comparison, but the weather information is still valuable... I wish somebody had warned us about "Hurricane Cutler" before he landed here in Chicago :-)
well educated guessing. You can see the physical traits and maybe some decision making but you'll never know if the kid wants to be a pro's pro and work on his craft, or if he thinks he's already a finished/near finished product.
I figure scouting is more of an art form than a science. I do believe there are scouts who get it right more than others though. I think it is something of an "it" factor for scouts. They just have a gift for judging these kids regarding their performance when they transition to the NFL.
BIH, I liked the weatherman comparison, but the weather information is still valuable... I wish somebody had warned us about "Hurricane Cutler" before he landed here in Chicago :-)
I think just like Fox, some did warn us, but we were so QB hungry, we just ignored it.
