You could look at every QB and do that though. There are INTs where the ball is tipped, where they get hit while throwing and times when they toss up a hail Mary pass at the end of the half or game. None of those have much reflection on the actual skill of the QB yet they count against him.
In order to get an accurate assessment of a QB you'd have to look at how many of their INTs were from poor decision making.
Right, which is why unless a guy has sat down and broken down game film on each of these guys I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
And the same question to you I asked Hawk and everyone else who chooses to respond. Would you or would you not. It's that simple. That's all I asked. Do I need to do it as a poll so posters get it?
You could look at every QB and do that though. There are INTs where the ball is tipped, where they get hit while throwing and times when they toss up a hail Mary pass at the end of the half or game. None of those have much reflection on the actual skill of the QB yet they count against him.
In order to get an accurate assessment of a QB you'd have to look at how many of their INTs were from poor decision making.
Right, which is why unless a guy has sat down and broken down game film on each of these guys I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
Being that my college team is in the same conference as Clemson I've seen a fair amount of Watson's play. IMHO he deserves the criticism he gets. He's very sloppy with the ball. His receivers, or poor play by the DBs, often bailed him out of getting more Ints. He occasionally turns into a "**** it I'm going deep" kind of passer from what I've seen. I really hope we don't pick him regardless of round.
Now I will admit I thought some similar things about Jameis Winston before he was drafted and he seems to be doing pretty well so far. However, Winston has far more natural skill than Watson and his sloppiness was likely more due to him leaning on his enormous physical advantage in college than bad decision making.
Right, which is why unless a guy has sat down and broken down game film on each of these guys I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
Being that my college team is in the same conference as Clemson I've seen a fair amount of Watson's play. IMHO he deserves the criticism he gets. He's very sloppy with the ball. His receivers, or poor play by the DBs, often bailed him out of getting more Ints. He occasionally turns into a "**** it I'm going deep" kind of passer from what I've seen. I really hope we don't pick him regardless of round.
Now I will admit I thought some similar things about Jameis Winston before he was drafted and he seems to be doing pretty well so far. However, Winston has far more natural skill than Watson and his sloppiness was likely more due to him leaning on his enormous physical advantage in college than bad decision making.
Ya Jamis has been really impressive in the pro's, 2 years no red zone picks, that's amaizing. Again that goes into how you don't know how seriously these guys are going to take to being a professional and working on their craft. Tons of Bears fans didn't want anything to do w/either JW or MM(myself included) and it goes to show how scouts haven't caught up w/how to handle the college game being completely different then the NFL now. They'll have to start doing more work about how these guys prep and how they can break down film/defenses.
Right, which is why unless a guy has sat down and broken down game film on each of these guys I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
And the same question to you I asked Hawk and everyone else who chooses to respond. Would you or would you not. It's that simple. That's all I asked. Do I need to do it as a poll so posters get it?
I'm on record saying I'd take Watson and not think twice about it.
My answer is that I would not draft a QB that high and pay him that much unless I truly thought they were worth it. Right now I don't think any of them are and I think that the same caliber of QB can be had in the second round.
I also don't think Jimmy is worth the draft picks and contract it would take to get him. To me trading for him would set a team back even more than drafting a QB in the first round. This is considering that either would become failures of course. If either one became a franchise QB then it would be completely worth it regardless.
And the same question to you I asked Hawk and everyone else who chooses to respond. Would you or would you not. It's that simple. That's all I asked. Do I need to do it as a poll so posters get it?
I'm on record saying I'd take Watson and not think twice about it.
I have to admit that I was one who thought both would be failures. I've been very impressed with both so far. I'd still rather have Mariota than Winston though. I think Mariota has a better head on his shoulders.
Right, which is why unless a guy has sat down and broken down game film on each of these guys I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
Being that my college team is in the same conference as Clemson I've seen a fair amount of Watson's play. IMHO he deserves the criticism he gets. He's very sloppy with the ball. His receivers, or poor play by the DBs, often bailed him out of getting more Ints. He occasionally turns into a "**** it I'm going deep" kind of passer from what I've seen. I really hope we don't pick him regardless of round.
Now I will admit I thought some similar things about Jameis Winston before he was drafted and he seems to be doing pretty well so far. However, Winston has far more natural skill than Watson and his sloppiness was likely more due to him leaning on his enormous physical advantage in college than bad decision making.
Funny...I thought Winston was the most pro ready QB coming out when he was drafted two years ago, so I guess maybe it's not a surprise we think differently about Watson. Every big game I've watched that kid play he's shown up and balled out.
Speaking of prosepcts, Fox is coacing the Senior bowl, and it was pointed out that Jason Garret got to work with and see Dak, who they decided to take a shot on in the 4th. So maybe getting to see some of the mid round prospects will help Fox/Pace figure out the mid rounds.
Speaking of prosepcts, Fox is coacing the Senior bowl, and it was pointed out that Jason Garret got to work with and see Dak, who they decided to take a shot on in the 4th. So maybe getting to see some of the mid round prospects will help Fox/Pace figure out the mid rounds.
It's a great opportunity and I'm excited that they get to do it. I just hope they are smart enough to evaluate the right type of talent there. My faith in Fox's coaching ability is just not what it use to be.
Speaking of prosepcts, Fox is coacing the Senior bowl, and it was pointed out that Jason Garret got to work with and see Dak, who they decided to take a shot on in the 4th. So maybe getting to see some of the mid round prospects will help Fox/Pace figure out the mid rounds.
Yeah, and he was so sure that he would be doing what he is doing now that he waited until the fourth to see if anyone would take him first. Obviously he liked him to draft him but even working with him for a week or two did not tell them that he would be successful. If he was sure he would have taken him earlier. Having said all that, this should still give us insight that other teams won't have. Other than one other that happens to pick before us