Well it's often attributed to him but if you'll tell me who I should more properly attribute it too I'll be happy to make the needed correction for you.
So what does this have to do with the thread topic itself he asks?
"Albert Einstein Someone, but not Albert Einstein, is credited with defining insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time."
I wasn't even my quote but there, I fixed it. So are we good now? LOL
When I read the initial article, and saw the attribution to Einstein, I had the same reaction. It gets lumped in with Mark Twain as well. I read that it was more likely written by some no name in the 50s for Alcoholics Anonymous, and gets attached to more famous people to give it more authority.
I don't think Butkus was referring to you when he made that comment because I nearly said the same thing, but I got lazy. I didnt even realize you quoted it. Anytime a writer references a quote I would more likely see as the caption in a picture on my Great Aunt's Facebook page, I roll my eyes a little.
As for Fox saying there will be no coaching changes, I will believe it when I see no coaches get changed and the 2017 season starts, but I don't believe it now. Like when Carimi was going to be welcomed back with "Open arms", when a team wins 3 games, it's quite likely heads are gonna roll.
"Albert Einstein Someone, but not Albert Einstein, is credited with defining insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time."
I wasn't even my quote but there, I fixed it. So are we good now? LOL
When I read the initial article, and saw the attribution to Einstein, I had the same reaction. It gets lumped in with Mark Twain as well. I read that it was more likely written by some no name in the 50s for Alcoholics Anonymous, and gets attached to more famous people to give it more authority.
I don't think Butkus was referring to you when he made that comment because I nearly said the same thing, but I got lazy. I didnt even realize you quoted it. Anytime a writer references a quote I would more likely see as the caption in a picture on my Great Aunt's Facebook page, I roll my eyes a little.
As for Fox saying there will be no coaching changes, I will believe it when I see no coaches get changed and the 2017 season starts, but I don't believe it now. Like when Carimi was going to be welcomed back with "Open arms", when a team wins 3 games, it's quite likely heads are gonna roll.
+1 Anything could happen at the end of this season. And while Fox may say the coaching staff will be back, he may not have the final say anyway. I'm just going to wait and see what happens.
Regarding that quote, it isn't always true. I'm not talking about this specific situation with the Bears team, but rather as some general "truth" in life. Sometimes perseverance is necessary for a great achievement. And sometimes a quick change is a mistake. Just one example would be in a football game when a team gives up on the run game and goes pass-happy, just due to the run game struggling a bit in the early part of a game. We've all seen that one here on the Bears. Is it "insane" to stick with something in that case and expect a different result? Not always. Sometimes perseverance is the wise choice.
Again, I am not saying this is the case here with the Bears. But that saying really bugs me because sometimes that is pure bullshit. Sometimes in life you just gut it out and refuse to be beaten. You persevere. And sometimes that is the best way - not baling and doing some quick change. If someone thinks you're nuts (insane), well, screw them. If you believe you are on the right track, persevere. Sometimes (sometimes) that is the best way. Just my 2-cents worth.
When I read the initial article, and saw the attribution to Einstein, I had the same reaction. It gets lumped in with Mark Twain as well. I read that it was more likely written by some no name in the 50s for Alcoholics Anonymous, and gets attached to more famous people to give it more authority.
I don't think Butkus was referring to you when he made that comment because I nearly said the same thing, but I got lazy. I didnt even realize you quoted it. Anytime a writer references a quote I would more likely see as the caption in a picture on my Great Aunt's Facebook page, I roll my eyes a little.
As for Fox saying there will be no coaching changes, I will believe it when I see no coaches get changed and the 2017 season starts, but I don't believe it now. Like when Carimi was going to be welcomed back with "Open arms", when a team wins 3 games, it's quite likely heads are gonna roll.
+1 Anything could happen at the end of this season. And while Fox may say the coaching staff will be back, he may not have the final say anyway. I'm just going to wait and see what happens.
Regarding that quote, it isn't always true. I'm not talking about this specific situation with the Bears team, but rather as some general "truth" in life. Sometimes perseverance is necessary for a great achievement. And sometimes a quick change is a mistake. Just one example would be in a football game when a team gives up on the run game and goes pass-happy, just due to the run game struggling a bit in the early part of a game. We've all seen that one here on the Bears. Is it "insane" to stick with something in that case and expect a different result? Not always. Sometimes perseverance is the wise choice.
Again, I am not saying this is the case here with the Bears. But that saying really bugs me because sometimes that is pure bullshit. Sometimes in life you just gut it out and refuse to be beaten. You persevere. And sometimes that is the best way - not baling and doing some quick change. If someone thinks you're nuts (insane), well, screw them. If you believe you are on the right track, persevere. Sometimes (sometimes) that is the best way. Just my 2-cents worth.
yep. and for every example of perseverance, I can give an opposite example. I have seen people lose their life savings and the life savings of loved ones trying to help them by persevering. Bad investments that they just would not give up on. They felt that if they would just keep working harder, they would succeed. Each situation is unique. You MUST have the intellect and experience of when to recognize what is a losing bet and what can be fixed. You can not wait until it is as plain as day because then the road back may be blocked. You must be able to see the little things and understand what they mean and how to navigate them. The most successful people have that trait.
And once again, I am not saying you are right or wrong. Just saying that going just one strategy is a recipe for disaster. You must evaluate the situation and only then decide what is the right strategy.
I'll say again that the little things say to me that even with more talent, Fox is not the guy. We can move forward with him and hit a wall and then bang against it for a few years (Lovie anyone) and then make the change anyway or we can be proactive.
Of course I can be wrong. It has happened before :-)
+1 Anything could happen at the end of this season. And while Fox may say the coaching staff will be back, he may not have the final say anyway. I'm just going to wait and see what happens.
Regarding that quote, it isn't always true. I'm not talking about this specific situation with the Bears team, but rather as some general "truth" in life. Sometimes perseverance is necessary for a great achievement. And sometimes a quick change is a mistake. Just one example would be in a football game when a team gives up on the run game and goes pass-happy, just due to the run game struggling a bit in the early part of a game. We've all seen that one here on the Bears. Is it "insane" to stick with something in that case and expect a different result? Not always. Sometimes perseverance is the wise choice.
Again, I am not saying this is the case here with the Bears. But that saying really bugs me because sometimes that is pure bullshit. Sometimes in life you just gut it out and refuse to be beaten. You persevere. And sometimes that is the best way - not baling and doing some quick change. If someone thinks you're nuts (insane), well, screw them. If you believe you are on the right track, persevere. Sometimes (sometimes) that is the best way. Just my 2-cents worth.
yep. and for every example of perseverance, I can give an opposite example. I have seen people lose their life savings and the life savings of loved ones trying to help them by persevering. Bad investments that they just would not give up on. They felt that if they would just keep working harder, they would succeed. Each situation is unique. You MUST have the intellect and experience of when to recognize what is a losing bet and what can be fixed. You can not wait until it is as plain as day because then the road back may be blocked. You must be able to see the little things and understand what they mean and how to navigate them. The most successful people have that trait.
And once again, I am not saying you are right or wrong. Just saying that going just one strategy is a recipe for disaster. You must evaluate the situation and only then decide what is the right strategy.
I'll say again that the little things say to me that even with more talent, Fox is not the guy. We can move forward with him and hit a wall and then bang against it for a few years (Lovie anyone) and then make the change anyway or we can be proactive.
Of course I can be wrong. It has happened before :-)
I totally agree with that part in red ^^^^^
Sometimes it is critically important to change - and sometimes change quickly. Other times perseverance in something you truly believe is the BEST plan can be best. I guess that is where knowledge, understanding, wisdom and good judgment come in. You need to discern the best way in various life situations.
Regarding the Bears situation, I figure I have zero control over what will happen, so I am not going to get worked up over whatever they do. I just hope they do get it right.
"Albert Einstein Someone, but not Albert Einstein, is credited with defining insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time."
I wasn't even my quote but there, I fixed it. So are we good now? LOL
When I read the initial article, and saw the attribution to Einstein, I had the same reaction. It gets lumped in with Mark Twain as well. I read that it was more likely written by some no name in the 50s for Alcoholics Anonymous, and gets attached to more famous people to give it more authority.
I don't think Butkus was referring to you when he made that comment because I nearly said the same thing, but I got lazy. I didnt even realize you quoted it. Anytime a writer references a quote I would more likely see as the caption in a picture on my Great Aunt's Facebook page, I roll my eyes a little.
As for Fox saying there will be no coaching changes, I will believe it when I see no coaches get changed and the 2017 season starts, but I don't believe it now. Like when Carimi was going to be welcomed back with "Open arms", when a team wins 3 games, it's quite likely heads are gonna roll.
Well being a former card carrying drunk myself I can certainly associate it with AA too but I first heard it long before those times. Anyway I just copied another's quote without bothering to comment on it's attribution since that was peripheral to the point he was making.
It's much like on another music website I often post on where we have the spelling and grammar Nazis who like to lecture others about that when it has nothing to do with whether or not the post was able to be read and clearly understood. Hell these days it's the smart phones that make many of those errors anyway.
I wasn't all that upset about it either because the message got across but I had to laugh and find a way to needle him just a bit for even bringing it up. I'm not that thin skinned or I could never hang with this bunch, haha.
What disturbed me more than that news was the guy even talking about is at all a week before the official presser where we assume Pace will confirm his return. Maybe others didn't catch the same arrogance in I did. It was pretty much like flipping the bird to those who say he should be fired.
The guy is defensive and thin skinned as all hell right now and that is not a good way for any HC of this team to be when dealing with Bear fans and the Chicago media. If he thinks this is bad wait 'til next season if things don't improve mightily. He'll wish he had stepped down.
Fox is allowed back due to his reputation, experience and question marks due to injuries.
Pace gets another cycle to bolster the roster with talent.
Fox gets another shot at showing he can get an improved roster to perform (maybe he does and the next items on the list are moot points).
Pace, assuming his draft this year and his FA acquisitions this year pan out, retains overall good standing with the org AND, in the event Fox starts to stumble, now has time to research and unanimous desire to replace Fox with a new HC.
Coaches, seeing the talent on the Bears, WANT to coach the team.
In this event the new HC comes onto a team with much better talent (four cycles of Pace drafts and FA acquisitions) and is much better positioned to turn things around and be successful.
I wouldn't deny that but when place the words Bears and perfect scenario in even the same paragraph you usually need winch as big as a city block to get them next to one another in a single sentence. A white buffalo is less rare than a perfect anything around Halas Hall.
IMHO we'd be better off digging up the old man and trying to reanimate him than we would be waiting for Harbaugh, Meyer, or Saban to ever coach here. Why would they even want to? The pay is less than half what they get at their current gigs and the headaches are tenfold. I doubt we could even hire Lovie back into this mess.
Well it's often attributed to him but if you'll tell me who I should more properly attribute it too I'll be happy to make the needed correction for you.
So what does this have to do with the thread topic itself he asks?
According to Ryan Howes, writing in Psychology Today, the quote has been attributed to Einstein, Ben Franklin and Mark Twain. A good summary of the various places the quote has been used can be found here.
Franklin and Twain are almost certainly not the sources of the quote, witty as those fellows were. Online, sources commonly attribute the quote to Einstein in his *Letters to Solovine: 1906-1955,* although no one seems to be able to produce a page from that volume that holds the quote (and Google books searches have also come up empty).
An earlier version of the quote came from author Rita Mae Brown’s novel *Sudden Death,* published by Bantam in 1983.
An even earlier version of the quote can be found in the Narcotics Anonymous “Basic Text,” released in November 1981 (PDF).
Well it's often attributed to him but if you'll tell me who I should more properly attribute it too I'll be happy to make the needed correction for you.
So what does this have to do with the thread topic itself he asks?
According to Ryan Howes, writing in Psychology Today, the quote has been attributed to Einstein, Ben Franklin and Mark Twain. A good summary of the various places the quote has been used can be found here.
Franklin and Twain are almost certainly not the sources of the quote, witty as those fellows were. Online, sources commonly attribute the quote to Einstein in his *Letters to Solovine: 1906-1955,* although no one seems to be able to produce a page from that volume that holds the quote (and Google books searches have also come up empty).
An earlier version of the quote came from author Rita Mae Brown’s novel *Sudden Death,* published by Bantam in 1983.
An even earlier version of the quote can be found in the Narcotics Anonymous “Basic Text,” released in November 1981 (PDF).
You do realize all I did was copy another persons quote right. Who he claimed said it didn't change the point of the message which is why I asked you why it made any difference who did actually say it first.
We used it in AA meeting all the time back when I was a card carrying drunk so for all I know Bill W or Dr. Bob may have been properly credited with it. So many have said it by now it's probably in the public domain.
Anyway I edited it more or less as a joke. I'm not trying to have a war with you over it when there are far more interesting things to battle over.