A really bad team, Indy tried to hand us the game. We lost anyway. The Bears were playing the worst run-defense in football, and couldn't run. He says the Bears got out-coached.
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
Is it the O Line or is it the coaching? How has the line seemingly on paper improved but gotten much worse? Braxton yr 3, Teven now savvy vet, Coleman a starting C in LA has to be better than last years C*, Nate Davis is a bum but Matt Pryor decent upgrade, then Wright high 1st Rd pick in 2nd yr. How are they not better?? *Lucas Patrick was rated as best C after week 2 under Kubiak (so it is coaching/scheme?). So coaching is to blame? Are they confused at to their assignments because it sure looks that way. I just dont understand how this O Line has been SO awful and really taken steps back from last year?? If I recall Bears OLine struggled early last year in the run game but then scheme changes were made by coaching and they improved, no? Make it make sense!
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
Is it the O Line or is it the coaching? How has the line seemingly on paper improved but gotten much worse? Braxton yr 3, Teven now savvy vet, Coleman a starting C in LA has to be better than last years C*, Nate Davis is a bum but Matt Pryor decent upgrade, then Wright high 1st Rd pick in 2nd yr. How are they not better?? *Lucas Patrick was rated as best C after week 2 under Kubiak (so it is coaching/scheme?). So maybe it is coaching and scheme? I just dont understand how this O Line has been SO awful and really taken steps back from last year?? If I recall Bears OLine struggled early last year in the run game but then scheme changes were made by coaching and they improved, no? Make it make sense!
All I have is that injuries and Laziness (Davis) screwed up the starting rotation.
So every chance they get they all sit down and collaBAV so they can start to gel.
Is it the O Line or is it the coaching? How has the line seemingly on paper improved but gotten much worse? Braxton yr 3, Teven now savvy vet, Coleman a starting C in LA has to be better than last years C*, Nate Davis is a bum but Matt Pryor decent upgrade, then Wright high 1st Rd pick in 2nd yr. How are they not better?? *Lucas Patrick was rated as best C after week 2 under Kubiak (so it is coaching/scheme?). So maybe it is coaching and scheme? I just dont understand how this O Line has been SO awful and really taken steps back from last year?? If I recall Bears OLine struggled early last year in the run game but then scheme changes were made by coaching and they improved, no? Make it make sense!
All I have is that injuries and Laziness (Davis) screwed up the starting rotation.
So every chance they get they all sit down and collaBAV so they can start to gel.
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
Is it the O Line or is it the coaching? How has the line seemingly on paper improved but gotten much worse? Braxton yr 3, Teven now savvy vet, Coleman a starting C in LA has to be better than last years C*, Nate Davis is a bum but Matt Pryor decent upgrade, then Wright high 1st Rd pick in 2nd yr. How are they not better?? *Lucas Patrick was rated as best C after week 2 under Kubiak (so it is coaching/scheme?). So coaching is to blame? Are they confused at to their assignments because it sure looks that way. I just dont understand how this O Line has been SO awful and really taken steps back from last year?? If I recall Bears OLine struggled early last year in the run game but then scheme changes were made by coaching and they improved, no? Make it make sense!
What improved? LT could have used an upgrade this offseason. That isn't just a me thought, there were people in Chicago that thought so also. A "eh he's good enough for now LT" isn't really the LT you want long term. OC the "improvement" got hurt, and he wasn't a guaranteed b/c he couldn't find the field last year. OC was 100% speculative as an improvement. Nate Davis wasn't good last year and spent all offseason not trying to get better this year. Really good RG was moved to LG to appease Davis who prefers right guard and appears to be struggling. RT is struggling in his sophomore year, could it be b/c he has Davis next to him now?
Can coaching help, sure, but again pro sports are about the players. Good and great players make teams win more the coaching. Jimmy/Joes greater than x's and o's. Swartz kept that Dallas 90's team going for a few years until the great players aged out. Not as good as Johnson, but they were still good. Tomlin is still living off of the great teams that his previous coach built, but again as all those players and their influence fade away, his teams are not performing like they once did when he had those great players. Great players and make average coaches look far better than they are. The Bears OL is full of sub par players for the most part, and b/c of that it's likely that the coaches are average and cannot overcome it.
I don't think anything Waldron did last year suggests he sucks. I don't think what Flus did in Indy suggest he sucks. Maybe not great, but not this bad. Maybe the coaching isn't good enough, but the players aren't good enough to do the jobs being asked, and these aren't some kind of complex things only the elite OL'men can do. Football is hard, but it's not rocket science, and each team doesn't have these special hard to learn OL assignments. The OL either has to play man or zone, and after that they have a few other assignments. But it's basically can you beat a man or keep your zone clean. These guys cannot do it. Coaches today said that the OL is still learning their assignments, but 4 of those OL were here last year w/the same OL coach. Why are they still figuring out the basics? IMO that is on the players. It should not take 2 years to figure out the scheme, when it's not that hard anyways. It's zone coverage. These guys obviously aren't capable of doing it.
PFF is trash if you want to use it, feel free, don't offer it up to me as some kind of evidence b/c imo it's 100% clownshoes and I won't use it or accept it. Just never forget PFF thought Webb was better than Bushrod and Shea was better than Peppers. Isn't it just as likely that Patrick is still sub par, but now has a quality LG and RG that are + players and helping him out? Or isn't it likely that Patrick is now in a man scheme instead of a zone scheme and that is a better fit for him? Just b/c he has success elsewhere doesn't mean he would have succeeded here, he's likely better than Coleman, but that's a low bar for a starter to be better than a backup. if it's man where he's at now, that likely is the simplest answer.
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
The Lions were just as bad as the Bears in 2021. They built their team from the inside (trenches) instead of outside. Poles has better WR group. Lions have better OL. We see the difference every week.
It was 2 bad teams trying not to win yesterday. But one was better at losing then the other. Much like Tenn felt like the Bears didn't win that game but they lost it, that's what happened w/Indy. The Bears lost that game.
Expect more. I knew the OL was bad, I didn't have any idea it would be this bad. They'll be lucky to get to 7 wins. Poles and Flus have put the barest of minimums into the OL and it's biting everyone in the ass. Bitched about it as they build the Def, bitched about it as they brought in WR's. Having a top 5 Def means nothing if the O cannot score. Having WR's and a QB means nothing if the OL is so bad they cannot do either of their jobs at even a competent level.
Poles and Flus likely won't go anywhere in the offseason no matter what. The team likely won't want to follow tradition of existing hc/gm, rookie qb, bad year fire hc/gm. but they both should be for how this team was built. Flus only gets a pass if he had no input. The team was built incorrectly from yr 1.
The Lions were just as bad as the Bears in 2021. They built their team from the inside (trenches) instead of outside. Poles has better WR group. Lions have better OL. We see the difference every week.
WR's are the most over rated group by the fanbase, and apparently by some GM's/HC's. It's no more important than the RB. QB, OL, and ya I'd put TE's over both. Their ability to block and catch are vital to a good team. Then WR's then RB's. you can get away w/good but not great WR's and RB's, great ones can make life easier, but you see in KC that once you have a truely stud QB w/some experience under their belt, the TE was kept, and the WR moved on; KC lost little b/c of it.
if I was the GM, I would have spent year 1 solidifying the OL, then the DL and DB's, then the QB, then WR and LB and RB. This team would likely be 2-1, if not 3-0 if Poles had built this team correctly.
The Lions were just as bad as the Bears in 2021. They built their team from the inside (trenches) instead of outside. Poles has better WR group. Lions have better OL. We see the difference every week.
WR's are the most over rated group by the fanbase, and apparently by some GM's/HC's. It's no more important than the RB. QB, OL, and ya I'd put TE's over both. Their ability to block and catch are vital to a good team. Then WR's then RB's. you can get away w/good but not great WR's and RB's, great ones can make life easier, but you see in KC that once you have a truely stud QB w/some experience under their belt, the TE was kept, and the WR moved on; KC lost little b/c of it.
if I was the GM, I would have spent year 1 solidifying the OL, then the DL and DB's, then the QB, then WR and LB and RB. This team would likely be 2-1, if not 3-0 if Poles had built this team correctly.
I would build the DL first. A great defense will keep you in the game even if your offense is struggling. Bears had a chance late in 4Q to win both games we’ve lost, thanks to the defense. But otherwise, I fully agree: start with the trenches. Blocking and tackling are fundamental to everything, and that begins in the trenches.
WR's are the most over rated group by the fanbase, and apparently by some GM's/HC's. It's no more important than the RB. QB, OL, and ya I'd put TE's over both. Their ability to block and catch are vital to a good team. Then WR's then RB's. you can get away w/good but not great WR's and RB's, great ones can make life easier, but you see in KC that once you have a truely stud QB w/some experience under their belt, the TE was kept, and the WR moved on; KC lost little b/c of it.
if I was the GM, I would have spent year 1 solidifying the OL, then the DL and DB's, then the QB, then WR and LB and RB. This team would likely be 2-1, if not 3-0 if Poles had built this team correctly.
I would build the DL first. A great defense will keep you in the game even if your offense is struggling. Bears had a chance late in 4Q to win both games we’ve lost, thanks to the defense. But otherwise, I fully agree: start with the trenches. Blocking and tackling are fundamental to everything, and that begins in the trenches.
tomAtoe tomahto. a good OL will keep you in games also, helping the O score points, and helping them win ToP via the run game when the team has the lead. Either way it's the lines then the qb, then te/dbs, then lb/wr/rb then P/K/LS.
there is a hierarchy of positional importance, and the Lines and QB are the highest. The reason I do OL is b/c it protects the QB which is by far the most important, sooner you have an OL the sooner you can have a good qb, the sooner you can worry about winning. Either way though it's not DB's LB's DL WR/RB, QB....PUNTER....
