Will OL waste Williams rookie season?

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Will OL waste Williams rookie season? Sept 18, 2024 10:56:17 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Sept 18, 2024 10:56:17 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

OT Pass Block Win Rate Rankings
RANK NAME TEAM WINS PLAYS PBWR DOUBLE
TEAM %
1 Trent Williams
SF 253 264 96% 39%
2 Rasheed Walker
GB 272 284 96% 34%
3 Brian O'Neill
MIN 385 403 96% 39%
4 Dion Dawkins
BUF 344 369 93% 31%
5 Braxton Jones
CHI 260 281 93% 34%
6 Penei Sewell
DET 370 400 93% 34%
7 Taylor Decker
DET 330 357 92% 44%
8 Jedrick Wills Jr.
CLE 183 198 92% 39%
9 Lane Johnson
PHI 324 351 92% 27%
10 Taylor Moton
CAR 394 427 92% 33%
11 Andrew Thomas
NYG 229 249 92% 34%
12 Chukwuma Okorafor
PIT 156 170 92% 37%
13 Garett Bolles
DEN 360 393 92% 33%
14 Laremy Tunsil
HOU 315 344 92% 35%
15 Jawaan Taylor
KC 385 422 91% 31%
16 Zach Tom
GB 341 375 91% 32%
17 Donovan Smith
KC 268 295 91% 29%
18 Spencer Brown
BUF 350 386 91% 26%
19 Braden Smith
IND 160 177 90% 31%
20 Morgan Moses
BAL 242 268 90% 36%
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

Since you said you accept ESPN, here is their “win” rate rankings of tackles last season. Brax was at 93%, which was one of the best in the NFL. I watched every game, and, to my eyes, this is ACCURATE.

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Will OL waste Williams rookie season? Sept 18, 2024 10:58:19 GMT -6

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Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

Yep. LT cannot be a replacement level player. Need to try and find an improvement.

LG/RG you have a guy that doesn't want to play, and a guy that struggles to stay healthy.

C you have a net negative.

Doesn't have to just be in the draft but the majority of that does.

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Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

I disagree about Edge. Dexter is emerging really well at DT and that’ll be the second pass rusher which opens up opportunities for DE2 because Sweat and Dexter will command the attention.

I would be totally fine if those four picks were all OL.

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Sept 18, 2024 10:58:19 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

Yep. LT cannot be a replacement level player. Need to try and find an improvement.

LG/RG you have a guy that doesn't want to play, and a guy that struggles to stay healthy.

C you have a net negative.

Doesn't have to just be in the draft but the majority of that does.

They said correctly that the Bears haven’t had a legit center since Olin Kreutz in 2010, which, no accident, was the last time Bears made a serious run. I admit I voted for Odunze, but now realize Poles should have traded down and got Powers-Johnson. Is Poles going to fart around more at center position or draft one no later than second round?

I thought the idea of drafting Amegadjie in 3rd round was that he could develop as tackle to replace Brax or play RT and move Wright to RG (where I think he belongs anyway).

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Will OL waste Williams rookie season? Sept 18, 2024 11:11:44 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Sept 18, 2024 11:11:44 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 11:03:27 GMT -6 The Marshall Plan said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

I disagree about Edge. Dexter is emerging really well at DT and that’ll be the second pass rusher which opens up opportunities for DE2 because Sweat and Dexter will command the attention.

I would be totally fine if those four picks were all OL.

I think Booker has potential to take Edge spot, and the DL will be fine.

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Post by bearsinhouston on Sept 18, 2024 11:47:05 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 11:05:57 GMT -6 davidl said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:58:19 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Yep. LT cannot be a replacement level player. Need to try and find an improvement.

LG/RG you have a guy that doesn't want to play, and a guy that struggles to stay healthy.

C you have a net negative.

Doesn't have to just be in the draft but the majority of that does.

They said correctly that the Bears haven’t had a legit center since Olin Kreutz in 2010, which, no accident, was the last time Bears made a serious run. I admit I voted for Odunze, but now realize Poles should have traded down and got Powers-Johnson. Is Poles going to fart around more at center position or draft one no later than second round?

I thought the idea of drafting Amegadjie in 3rd round was that he could develop as tackle to replace Brax or play RT and move Wright to RG (where I think he belongs anyway).

I still think Odunze was the right choice. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Poles had a chance to draft a C further down or address it in FA. Just because he did not end up addressing it does not make Odunze any less of a choice. And if hehad not taken Odunze, who knows who he would have taken. You are assuming a C because we all wanted one and are saying it was a need. He never really poured a lot into C, so he may not have seen it as something he would have gone after anyway. We will never know.

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Post by davidl on Sept 18, 2024 11:58:40 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 11:47:05 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Sept 18, 2024 11:05:57 GMT -6 davidl said:

They said correctly that the Bears haven’t had a legit center since Olin Kreutz in 2010, which, no accident, was the last time Bears made a serious run. I admit I voted for Odunze, but now realize Poles should have traded down and got Powers-Johnson. Is Poles going to fart around more at center position or draft one no later than second round?

I thought the idea of drafting Amegadjie in 3rd round was that he could develop as tackle to replace Brax or play RT and move Wright to RG (where I think he belongs anyway).

I still think Odunze was the right choice. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Poles had a chance to draft a C further down or address it in FA. Just because he did not end up addressing it does not make Odunze any less of a choice. And if hehad not taken Odunze, who knows who he would have taken. You are assuming a C because we all wanted one and are saying it was a need. He never really poured a lot into C, so he may not have seen it as something he would have gone after anyway. We will never know.

They said on ESPN that there was serious consideration of Powers-Johnson by Poles before he finally pulled the trigger for Odunze. I know P-J came to Chicago for a “30 visit” and Bears were favorably impressed.

The other thing they said is that teams should build the offense from inside to out rather than from outside to in. Nothing works if the OL doesn’t block.

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Will OL waste Williams rookie season? Sept 18, 2024 12:23:00 GMT -6 riczaj01 and bears40 like this

Post by JABF on Sept 18, 2024 12:23:00 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 11:58:40 GMT -6 davidl said:

Sept 18, 2024 11:47:05 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I still think Odunze was the right choice. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Poles had a chance to draft a C further down or address it in FA. Just because he did not end up addressing it does not make Odunze any less of a choice. And if hehad not taken Odunze, who knows who he would have taken. You are assuming a C because we all wanted one and are saying it was a need. He never really poured a lot into C, so he may not have seen it as something he would have gone after anyway. We will never know.

They said on ESPN that there was serious consideration of Powers-Johnson by Poles before he finally pulled the trigger for Odunze. I know P-J came to Chicago for a “30 visit” and Bears were favorably impressed.

The other thing they said is that teams should build the offense from inside to out rather than from outside to in. Nothing works if the OL doesn’t block.

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Will OL waste Williams rookie season? Sept 18, 2024 12:26:29 GMT -6 JABF and bears40 like this

Post by bearsinhouston on Sept 18, 2024 12:26:29 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2024 12:23:00 GMT -6 JABF said:

Sept 18, 2024 11:58:40 GMT -6 davidl said:

They said on ESPN that there was serious consideration of Powers-Johnson by Poles before he finally pulled the trigger for Odunze. I know P-J came to Chicago for a “30 visit” and Bears were favorably impressed.

The other thing they said is that teams should build the offense from inside to out rather than from outside to in. Nothing works if the OL doesn’t block.

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Sure you can. On the way home from the game I saw two guys pushing their car out of a gas station. You reminded me of that, lol

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Sept 18, 2024 11:03:27 GMT -6 The Marshall Plan said:

Sept 18, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -6 bears40 said:

So we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and we supposedly need an edge, LT, LG, RG, C.Assuming no additional needs, what position do we skip. Forget FA at the moment.

I disagree about Edge. Dexter is emerging really well at DT and that’ll be the second pass rusher which opens up opportunities for DE2 because Sweat and Dexter will command the attention.

I would be totally fine if those four picks were all OL.

I agree. This is all very, very preliminary at this point but what we have seen thus far tells me the DL has been a very pleasant surprise and the OL has been the opposite.

We are gonna have 3 picks in the top-60 (could be top-40 if Bears season goes south). We may also have two 3rds if Ian Cunningham gets a GM job which seems inevitable at some point. That could be as much as 5 picks in the top-100 and the 6th for Fields looks likely to become a 4th as Russell Wilson looks cooked.

If things don't turn around dramatically, Poles needs to be spending 2 of those top 3 picks on OL AND hitting the FA market for more. Tevin Jenkins doesn't look like he's gonna be getting a 2nd contract here so he's gone in FA too.

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