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John Clayton Projects Tony Romo As Chicago Bears 2017 Dec 23, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -6

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Dec 23, 2016 9:09:51 GMT -6 @soulman said:

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No thanks, unless they get him for some amazingly cheap deal. Trading picks away right now should not be an option as they need as many as they can get.

Huh? What's the difference between trading a pick and using it to draft a QB especially if you get one whose more of a known quantity? Or am I not understanding what you mean?

Generally it cost more than one draft pick to trade for a QB. Not only that but the Bears would have to pay him a substantial amount of money. When drafting a QB it only cost one pick and you get them on a rookie contract. I prefer the drafting method at this moment.

Who was the last young QB that was traded for that did well? Not a starting guy either, but a back up guy similar to Garropolo.

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John Clayton Projects Tony Romo As Chicago Bears 2017 Dec 23, 2016 9:47:11 GMT -6

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Dec 23, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -6 hawkeye21 said:

Dec 23, 2016 9:09:51 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Huh? What's the difference between trading a pick and using it to draft a QB especially if you get one whose more of a known quantity? Or am I not understanding what you mean?

Generally it cost more than one draft pick to trade for a QB. Not only that but the Bears would have to pay him a substantial amount of money. When drafting a QB it only cost one pick and you get them on a rookie contract. I prefer the drafting method at this moment.

Who was the last young QB that was traded for that did well? Not a starting guy either, but a back up guy similar to Garropolo.

That's how I see it too. We pay Ryan Pace to draft well. He is the GM. This drafting-gig is really his #1 job here. Sure, he has other responsibilities, but job-1 is to draft solid young players. This includes drafting us a solid QB. Other teams are doing this. Why can't we? I watch this new/young generation of QB's and I envy the team's that drafted them. They are rough at this point as they learn their craft at the NFL level, but you sure can see that they have a bright future ahead of them. I loved watching Wentz last night. Far from perfect, but you could sure see he is going to be very special in this league.

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Who gives a shit what John Clayton thinks? I don't understand how some of the guys keep jobs as journalists I could find 6th graders that can come up with more logic and analysis than this. As someone already pointed out - Chip Kelly going after a guy he previously traded? Really? Also while Pace has not proven himself yet he has also not thrown huge chunks of money around, and I don't see him doing it for an aging QB that is never healthy. Someone is going to pay Romo no doubt, but it won't be Pace.

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John Clayton Projects Tony Romo As Chicago Bears 2017 Dec 23, 2016 14:10:16 GMT -6

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Dec 23, 2016 8:13:59 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Dec 22, 2016 19:38:51 GMT -6 motm said:

Never said he only had injuries those years.

I said "I know many like to call him injury prone but excluding the last 2 seasons the dude has stay consistent and healthy the majority of the time."

Which is true. Many like to look at his last 2 years and say he's done in the NFL.

Peyton Manning is a great example of someone who many consider done in the NFL and came back to have one of his best years with the Broncos...

I also like to know where you get the 90% can't stay healthy.

Difference is AJ isn't a veteran player who's been in the league for 10 years and stayed healthy the majority of the time.

Except he hasn't stayed healthy. In the 10 years he's been a starter he's missed 33 games. Thats not including all the games he played hurt, because the guy is as tough as they come. He gets hurt... a lot! There's no getting around that, and he's had major back surgery. Did you see the "hit" that knocked him out this season? It was a freakin love tap. He's fragile, and he's got a bad back. Why you think bringing a 37 year old, with a bad back, who is going to cost a lot of money to sign, here is a good idea is quite frankly beyond me.

Further, do not compare Peyton, who is one of the best to ever play the game and one of the smartest QB's to ever lace them up, to Tony Romo. And did you see Manning at the end of his career? He was a shell of himself.

As for my 90%...let me fill you in on Tony Romo's injury. Romo suffered an injury that isn't commonly seen in athletes. In fact its most commonly seen on elderly adults with weak bones. Yes....I'll repeat that...Tony Romo's injury is most seen in OLD PEOPLE who are weak. Couple that together with his other back injuries and what you have is the potential for serious biomechanical issues that could affect his performance and mobility. Do you want to pay 17 million plus dollars for that risk? If so I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.

Lastly, AJ is a veteran, he's been in this league for 5 years, and I will take a risk on a skill guy with soft tissue injuries over a guy who's had multiple back injuries and just came off a back injury usually found in 85 year old fall victims.

This is the NFL. Everyone plays hurt. Yes 33 games and how many were from the last 2 years? 28?

Don't compare Manning to Romo? I'm only comparing their bodies. Manning had neck surgery and many were questioning if he play the same again. He went on to break records. Was it a risk signing him? Yes it was but it worked out for them. Also how much blame can be put on Manning for the Broncos poor offense. They haven't done well with any QB since Manning left. I'm not saying Manning isn't at fault here but he should not be taking 100% of the blame for that season. Many Bronco fans are questioning if Manning was the real problem last year.

Players get injuries all the time that could result with an career ending one. Many have endure it and won Super Bowls.

I never said AJ isn't a vet. I said he isn't a vet with 10 years of experience like Romo.

Also some here think I meant Romo would be our QB here for the next 5+ years or something. He would be the QB for us while we groom our franchise QB behind him. 2-3 years top with a deal front loaded.

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John Clayton Projects Tony Romo As Chicago Bears 2017 Dec 23, 2016 14:37:59 GMT -6

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Dec 23, 2016 14:10:16 GMT -6 motm said:

Dec 23, 2016 8:13:59 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Except he hasn't stayed healthy. In the 10 years he's been a starter he's missed 33 games. Thats not including all the games he played hurt, because the guy is as tough as they come. He gets hurt... a lot! There's no getting around that, and he's had major back surgery. Did you see the "hit" that knocked him out this season? It was a freakin love tap. He's fragile, and he's got a bad back. Why you think bringing a 37 year old, with a bad back, who is going to cost a lot of money to sign, here is a good idea is quite frankly beyond me.

Further, do not compare Peyton, who is one of the best to ever play the game and one of the smartest QB's to ever lace them up, to Tony Romo. And did you see Manning at the end of his career? He was a shell of himself.

As for my 90%...let me fill you in on Tony Romo's injury. Romo suffered an injury that isn't commonly seen in athletes. In fact its most commonly seen on elderly adults with weak bones. Yes....I'll repeat that...Tony Romo's injury is most seen in OLD PEOPLE who are weak. Couple that together with his other back injuries and what you have is the potential for serious biomechanical issues that could affect his performance and mobility. Do you want to pay 17 million plus dollars for that risk? If so I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.

Lastly, AJ is a veteran, he's been in this league for 5 years, and I will take a risk on a skill guy with soft tissue injuries over a guy who's had multiple back injuries and just came off a back injury usually found in 85 year old fall victims.

This is the NFL. Everyone plays hurt. Yes 33 games and how many were from the last 2 years? 28?

Don't compare Manning to Romo? I'm only comparing their bodies. Manning had neck surgery and many were questioning if he play the same again. He went on to break records. Was it a risk signing him? Yes it was but it worked out for them. Also how much blame can be put on Manning for the Broncos poor offense. They haven't done well with any QB since Manning left. I'm not saying Manning isn't at fault here but he should not be taking 100% of the blame for that season. Many Bronco fans are questioning if Manning was the real problem last year.

Players get injuries all the time that could result with an career ending one. Many have endure it and won Super Bowls.

I never said AJ isn't a vet. I said he isn't a vet with 10 years of experience like Romo.

Also some here think I meant Romo would be our QB here for the next 5+ years or something. He would be the QB for us while we groom our franchise QB behind him. 2-3 years top with a deal front loaded.

That number doesn't include this current year chief. It will be higher once this year is over. I just laid out for you the injury he suffered. I informed you how it's typically an injury suffered by OLD PEOPLE WITH FRAIL BODIES and that combined with his OTHER PREVIOUS SERIOUS BACK INJURIES he will have serious biomechanical issues. These issues will affect his mobility and due to the nature of his position possibly his throwing motion and arm strength. HE'S 37 YEARS OLD and I imagine he wants to try and win a ring, not be a place holder behind an offensive line that is not as good as the one in Dallas, and will want to be paid well to do it. Given all the REASONS I have provided for you...why in Gods name do you continue with this ridiculous idea?! I don't care if he would only be the QB for 2 years or 2 weeks, it is not a good idea for this franchise to spend the money it would take to sign a guy with all the issues I just discussed. For that money we could just keep Cutler and his 16 and 17 million dollar salaries the next 2 years.

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Dec 23, 2016 14:37:59 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Dec 23, 2016 14:10:16 GMT -6 motm said:

This is the NFL. Everyone plays hurt. Yes 33 games and how many were from the last 2 years? 28?

Don't compare Manning to Romo? I'm only comparing their bodies. Manning had neck surgery and many were questioning if he play the same again. He went on to break records. Was it a risk signing him? Yes it was but it worked out for them. Also how much blame can be put on Manning for the Broncos poor offense. They haven't done well with any QB since Manning left. I'm not saying Manning isn't at fault here but he should not be taking 100% of the blame for that season. Many Bronco fans are questioning if Manning was the real problem last year.

Players get injuries all the time that could result with an career ending one. Many have endure it and won Super Bowls.

I never said AJ isn't a vet. I said he isn't a vet with 10 years of experience like Romo.

Also some here think I meant Romo would be our QB here for the next 5+ years or something. He would be the QB for us while we groom our franchise QB behind him. 2-3 years top with a deal front loaded.

That number doesn't include this current year chief. It will be higher once this year is over. I just laid out for you the injury he suffered. I informed you how it's typically an injury suffered by OLD PEOPLE WITH FRAIL BODIES and that combined with his OTHER PREVIOUS SERIOUS BACK INJURIES he will have serious biomechanical issues. These issues will affect his mobility and due to the nature of his position possibly his throwing motion and arm strength. HE'S 37 YEARS OLD and I imagine he wants to try and win a ring, not be a place holder behind an offensive line that is not as good as the one in Dallas, and will want to be paid well to do it. Given all the REASONS I have provided for you...why in Gods name do you continue with this ridiculous idea?! I don't care if he would only be the QB for 2 years or 2 weeks, it is not a good idea for this franchise to spend the money it would take to sign a guy with all the issues I just discussed. For that money we could just keep Cutler and his 16 and 17 million dollar salaries the next 2 years.

yeah, sure, but if we signed him this week, we could win the SB this year, right?

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John Clayton Projects Tony Romo As Chicago Bears 2017 Dec 24, 2016 7:56:18 GMT -6

Post by hawkeye21 on Dec 24, 2016 7:56:18 GMT -6

Dec 23, 2016 14:10:16 GMT -6 motm said:

Dec 23, 2016 8:13:59 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Except he hasn't stayed healthy. In the 10 years he's been a starter he's missed 33 games. Thats not including all the games he played hurt, because the guy is as tough as they come. He gets hurt... a lot! There's no getting around that, and he's had major back surgery. Did you see the "hit" that knocked him out this season? It was a freakin love tap. He's fragile, and he's got a bad back. Why you think bringing a 37 year old, with a bad back, who is going to cost a lot of money to sign, here is a good idea is quite frankly beyond me.

Further, do not compare Peyton, who is one of the best to ever play the game and one of the smartest QB's to ever lace them up, to Tony Romo. And did you see Manning at the end of his career? He was a shell of himself.

As for my 90%...let me fill you in on Tony Romo's injury. Romo suffered an injury that isn't commonly seen in athletes. In fact its most commonly seen on elderly adults with weak bones. Yes....I'll repeat that...Tony Romo's injury is most seen in OLD PEOPLE who are weak. Couple that together with his other back injuries and what you have is the potential for serious biomechanical issues that could affect his performance and mobility. Do you want to pay 17 million plus dollars for that risk? If so I'm glad you're not the Bears GM.

Lastly, AJ is a veteran, he's been in this league for 5 years, and I will take a risk on a skill guy with soft tissue injuries over a guy who's had multiple back injuries and just came off a back injury usually found in 85 year old fall victims.

This is the NFL. Everyone plays hurt. Yes 33 games and how many were from the last 2 years? 28?

Don't compare Manning to Romo? I'm only comparing their bodies. Manning had neck surgery and many were questioning if he play the same again. He went on to break records. Was it a risk signing him? Yes it was but it worked out for them. Also how much blame can be put on Manning for the Broncos poor offense. They haven't done well with any QB since Manning left. I'm not saying Manning isn't at fault here but he should not be taking 100% of the blame for that season. Many Bronco fans are questioning if Manning was the real problem last year.

Players get injuries all the time that could result with an career ending one. Many have endure it and won Super Bowls.

I never said AJ isn't a vet. I said he isn't a vet with 10 years of experience like Romo.

Also some here think I meant Romo would be our QB here for the next 5+ years or something. He would be the QB for us while we groom our franchise QB behind him. 2-3 years top with a deal front loaded.

One huge difference between Manning and Romo. Manning had next surgery and no one knew for sure if he would be the same. The injury and his age were major factors for why the Colts let him go. The Broncos took that risk and it paid off. Manning only had that one series where as Romo has had multiple issues. A history of back problems and a collar bone problem. Romo is a bigger injury risk and doesn't really offer anything more to the Bears.

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