The article points out that Bagent is the only guy in the QB room that is not a Shane Waldron guy. Brett Rypien played in this Waldron offense and Bagent will be learning it as a new offense. As far as UDFA guys, Reed was the UDFA picked out by Waldron, Bagent was the UDFA picked out by Getsy.
Is Bagent a lock to be the QB2? If Waldron wants his guy (big "if" there), do you think Bagent would have any trade value?
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Post by brasilbear on May 14, 2024 15:11:54 GMT -6
I'm not as solid on Bagent as some are. I saw a young QB who made plenty of mistakes when he played. Ultimately he did what a backup QB is supposed to do, not be terrible. IMO with one year of experience under his belt Bagent would have a slight edge. I'm also not sold on the idea of Rypien being handed the #2 spot simply because he knows Waldron.
Frankly, neither Bagent or Rypien excite me, and Reed...well...who knows.
I would say it goes Williams, Bagent/Rypien, Reed.
And since I'm cranky with the heat here: (seriously I'm cranky so you read at your own risk)
(1) Too many "it" and "may" statements in that article. (2) The conjecture is thick in that article. While reading between the lines is important, making things up while you read between the lines shows a mighty high level MSU degree. (3) This sentence, which I think the writer wants as his final point makes no sense what so ever:
"It is more likely than not that Bagent holds down the backup job, but there is not any chatter about the idea that he could be unseated by the two quarterbacks brought in this offseason."
Does it mean there is no chatter about Bagent being unseated, meaning he will be the #2? The whole point of the article is that reading between the lines of the activity in the offseason (signing Rypien, firing Getsy, hiring Waldron, signing Reed--who is assumed to be a Waldron guy because...Waldron is here and not Getsy) points to maybe/if/possibility Bagent losing the #2 spot.
I seriously can't understand the how phasing after the "but there" is connected to the rest of the article. Are editors suddenly not permitted anymore?
I'm not as solid on Bagent as some are. I saw a young QB who made plenty of mistakes when he played. Ultimately he did what a backup QB is supposed to do, not be terrible. IMO with one year of experience under his belt Bagent would have a slight edge. I'm also not sold on the idea of Rypien being handed the #2 spot simply because he knows Waldron.
Frankly, neither Bagent or Rypien excite me, and Reed...well...who knows.
I would say it goes Williams, Bagent/Rypien, Reed.
And since I'm cranky with the heat here: (seriously I'm cranky so you read at your own risk)
(1) Too many "it" and "may" statements in that article. (2) The conjecture is thick in that article. While reading between the lines is important, making things up while you read between the lines shows a mighty high level MSU degree. (3) This sentence, which I think the writer wants as his final point makes no sense what so ever:
"It is more likely than not that Bagent holds down the backup job, but there is not any chatter about the idea that he could be unseated by the two quarterbacks brought in this offseason."
Does it mean there is no chatter about Bagent being unseated, meaning he will be the #2? The whole point of the article is that reading between the lines of the activity in the offseason (signing Rypien, firing Getsy, hiring Waldron, signing Reed--who is assumed to be a Waldron guy because...Waldron is here and not Getsy) points to maybe/if/possibility Bagent losing the #2 spot.
I seriously can't understand the how phasing after the "but there" is connected to the rest of the article. Are editors suddenly not permitted anymore?
Maybe a lot of these articles are not written by a human, just some AI generated swill. So they don't need editing in the eyes of the organizations that publish this stuff.
I'm not as solid on Bagent as some are. I saw a young QB who made plenty of mistakes when he played. Ultimately he did what a backup QB is supposed to do, not be terrible. IMO with one year of experience under his belt Bagent would have a slight edge. I'm also not sold on the idea of Rypien being handed the #2 spot simply because he knows Waldron.
Frankly, neither Bagent or Rypien excite me, and Reed...well...who knows.
I would say it goes Williams, Bagent/Rypien, Reed.
And since I'm cranky with the heat here: (seriously I'm cranky so you read at your own risk)
(1) Too many "it" and "may" statements in that article. (2) The conjecture is thick in that article. While reading between the lines is important, making things up while you read between the lines shows a mighty high level MSU degree. (3) This sentence, which I think the writer wants as his final point makes no sense what so ever:
"It is more likely than not that Bagent holds down the backup job, but there is not any chatter about the idea that he could be unseated by the two quarterbacks brought in this offseason."
Does it mean there is no chatter about Bagent being unseated, meaning he will be the #2? The whole point of the article is that reading between the lines of the activity in the offseason (signing Rypien, firing Getsy, hiring Waldron, signing Reed--who is assumed to be a Waldron guy because...Waldron is here and not Getsy) points to maybe/if/possibility Bagent losing the #2 spot.
I seriously can't understand the how phasing after the "but there" is connected to the rest of the article. Are editors suddenly not permitted anymore?
Maybe a lot of these articles are not written by a human, just some AI generated swill. So they don't need editing in the eyes of the organizations that publish this stuff.
Wouldn't surprise me if sites like chicitysports, SBnation, or any of the other blogger generated team sites use AI to generate articles. SI already got caught doing this. Its all to generate clicks which drive ad revenue and other related revenue options (buy links to apparel sites, amazon. etc)
I tend to stay away from bearsgoogles, sportsmockery and bearswire because I don't find any of their reporting to be original. Its all taking a tweet or a line from Biggs/Jahns/Hoge/Leming and turning it into a "Bears insider says..." article. I appreciate those who do read them and post them here because I can read the little tag and get the gist of the article almost all the time. The editing on those sites is awful, really really poor. I'm not saying I could do better but good grief man, can you at least proofread what you wrote?
I have a twitter list of Bears guys I follow with a few national writers mixed in. I read Biggs pretty consistently. I like dabearsblog but know that many people don't, so I don't post their stuff here (usually).
Wouldn't surprise me if sites like chicitysports, SBnation, or any of the other blogger generated team sites use AI to generate articles. SI already got caught doing this. Its all to generate clicks which drive ad revenue and other related revenue options (buy links to apparel sites, amazon. etc)
I tend to stay away from bearsgoogles, sportsmockery and bearswire because I don't find any of their reporting to be original. Its all taking a tweet or a line from Biggs/Jahns/Hoge/Leming and turning it into a "Bears insider says..." article. I appreciate those who do read them and post them here because I can read the little tag and get the gist of the article almost all the time. The editing on those sites is awful, really really poor. I'm not saying I could do better but good grief man, can you at least proofread what you wrote?
I have a twitter list of Bears guys I follow with a few national writers mixed in. I read Biggs pretty consistently. I like dabearsblog but know that many people don't, so I don't post their stuff here (usually).
+1 On top of all of that, it is a pretty slow time for Bears news anyway right now. LOL, Caleb throws 2 incomplete passes and a "near int" and we get multiple clickbait articles about how he may not be any good. SMH.
Wouldn't surprise me if sites like chicitysports, SBnation, or any of the other blogger generated team sites use AI to generate articles. SI already got caught doing this. Its all to generate clicks which drive ad revenue and other related revenue options (buy links to apparel sites, amazon. etc)
I tend to stay away from bearsgoogles, sportsmockery and bearswire because I don't find any of their reporting to be original. Its all taking a tweet or a line from Biggs/Jahns/Hoge/Leming and turning it into a "Bears insider says..." article. I appreciate those who do read them and post them here because I can read the little tag and get the gist of the article almost all the time. The editing on those sites is awful, really really poor. I'm not saying I could do better but good grief man, can you at least proofread what you wrote?
I have a twitter list of Bears guys I follow with a few national writers mixed in. I read Biggs pretty consistently. I like dabearsblog but know that many people don't, so I don't post their stuff here (usually).
+1 On top of all of that, it is a pretty slow time for Bears news anyway right now. LOL, Caleb throws 2 incomplete passes and a "near int" and we get multiple clickbait articles about how he may not be any good. SMH.
thats what I'm trying to keep in mind when I write a response and then delete it because I don't want to be a rabble rouser. I'm trying really hard.
Wouldn't surprise me if sites like chicitysports, SBnation, or any of the other blogger generated team sites use AI to generate articles. SI already got caught doing this. Its all to generate clicks which drive ad revenue and other related revenue options (buy links to apparel sites, amazon. etc)
I tend to stay away from bearsgoogles, sportsmockery and bearswire because I don't find any of their reporting to be original. Its all taking a tweet or a line from Biggs/Jahns/Hoge/Leming and turning it into a "Bears insider says..." article. I appreciate those who do read them and post them here because I can read the little tag and get the gist of the article almost all the time. The editing on those sites is awful, really really poor. I'm not saying I could do better but good grief man, can you at least proofread what you wrote?
I have a twitter list of Bears guys I follow with a few national writers mixed in. I read Biggs pretty consistently. I like dabearsblog but know that many people don't, so I don't post their stuff here (usually).
+1 On top of all of that, it is a pretty slow time for Bears news anyway right now. LOL, Caleb throws 2 incomplete passes and a "near int" and we get multiple clickbait articles about how he may not be any good. SMH.
Never got the impression any of them said he was not any good. It was just pointing out some observations. I am behind Williams and I don't see any issue.
+1 On top of all of that, it is a pretty slow time for Bears news anyway right now. LOL, Caleb throws 2 incomplete passes and a "near int" and we get multiple clickbait articles about how he may not be any good. SMH.
Never got the impression any of them said he was not any good. It was just pointing out some observations. I am behind Williams and I don't see any issue.
I did. What you now see is an article gets repeated multiple times by others and they put their clickbait titles on it to spin it so you click to read what the heck is going on. In this case basically asking the question if the Bears have a bust in Caleb... then when you read the actual article it quotes someone else - that does NOT say anything like that... just that Caleb missed a few passes - and one was almost intercepted.
Just one other recent example is what we've seen in the last 48 hours painting Fields as basically a cancer in the locker room... but if you read any of these it's not what the title is intimating but rather Fields and the other two QBs didn't get along. They quote an anonymous coach here (no long with the Bears) or just an anonymous "source" and then they basically do a number on Fields' reputation.
EDIT: One of the better podcasts I saw a couple days ago mentioned that we should "strap in" because in the regular season we are going to see a lot more of this anti-Caleb stuff when he has real interceptions or the Bears lose a game. We will see this taken to a whole new level.
Never got the impression any of them said he was not any good. It was just pointing out some observations. I am behind Williams and I don't see any issue.
I did. What you now see is an article gets repeated multiple times by others and they put their clickbait titles on it to spin it so you click to read what the heck is going on. In this case basically asking the question if the Bears have a bust in Caleb... then when you read the actual article it quotes someone else - that does NOT say anything like that... just that Caleb missed a few passes - and one was almost intercepted.
Just one other recent example is what we've seen in the last 48 hours painting Fields as basically a cancer in the locker room... but if you read any of these it's not what the title is intimating but rather Fields and the other two QBs didn't get along. They quote an anonymous coach here (no long with the Bears) or just an anonymous "source" and then they basically do a number on Fields' reputation.
EDIT: One of the better podcasts I saw a couple days ago mentioned that we should "strap in" because in the regular season we are going to see a lot more of this anti-Caleb stuff when he has real interceptions or the Bears lose a game. We will see this taken to a whole new level.
But in the end, does any of it matter? I am a fan of both Williams and Fields. If I find out some of that stuff on Fields is true, will it make a difference for me? Honestly, yes. If he is as big a problem as they say, that is not a guy you want on the team. Has it changed my mind on him? No, because I take it with a grain of salt. If I see more corroborating testimony by players, then yes it would change my mind
Same with Williams. He missed what he missed. So what? Why is an article saying he missed throws a problem? Especially when he missed throws. Is it going to make me wish we didn't draft him? Not likely. When I see him play, I'll decide what I think of him. Some dude reporting what happened on the field does not make any difference to me as long as what is reported is not important. A QB missing a few throws at the very beginning of being with team mates is meaningless. At the same time, I also honestly don't understand the vitriol directed at the people writing this stuff. It happened and they are giving their opinions and making some possible projections. I don't think anyone said he was a bust. But if they did, again, so what? Saying it does not make it so. All it does is impinge on the guys credibility.
I just don't get the hostile reaction to a guys opinion even if it is almost certainly wrong. Who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. So then maybe I deserve being attacked. LOL, wouldn't be the first time