Imrem: How about Notre Dame's Kizer for Chicago Bears?

I heard that the Bears OC at the time, I think his name was Crowley, stooding on a table screaming that they draft Culpepper. Like, literally, "Culpepper!"

Ric, unlike you I don't need Wiki or Walter Football quotes to back what I lived through.  Maybe your memory needs that jogging but mine doesn't and let's leave Shea out of THIS discussion because it's irrelevant.  He doesn't play QB and my opinions of him four years ago have nothing to do with this.  Stay on topic here OK?

UCLA and many other West Coast teams played pro style offenses then.  As a result their QBs were often seen as more NFL ready.  McClowns arm strength and the fact that he was a lefty may have been scouting concerns but that doesn't change the fact that he was seen as more prepared to play prior to the draft.  What took place after simply proves how wrong the Bears were in their evaluation of him which is just one more reason I hesitate to bless spending to high pick on a QB.

The spread offenses like those we see today hadn't even come about yet so I have no idea where your research came from but it's clearly wrong.  How wrong?  Let me show you.

Jerry Tagge (1972)
Rich Campbell (1981)

Both drafted by the Packers and neither played in a spread or a run and shoot offense.  Nebraska, a run and shoot in 1971??  Gimme a break.  Tagge was from GB and he was a straight drop back passer with concrete feet.  He was not a mobile QB.  Rich Campbell played at Cal.  He was also a typical pocket passer.  Both played in pro style offenses in college, trust me.

Todd Blackledge (1982)

Penn Stater and to this day I don't believe PSU has ever run a run and shoot.  They use typical drop back passers or at least the did then and Blackledge was one of them. Joe Paterno a run and shoot guy?  Gimme a break Ric.

Andre Ware (1990)
David Klinger (1992)

Houston did run a run and shoot offense so these two you have correct.

Akili Smith (1999)
Cade McNown (1999)

Akili Smith did play in some kind of high octane move oriented offense at Oregon which made him a very suspect pick in the draft because of it however Cade McNown did not.  UCLA wasn't using a run and shoot offense then either but they did have a pretty wide open offense with a lot of passing like BYU did with Mac.  The Bears saw him as another potential Mac.  Hoo boy were they ever wrong.

Alex Smith (2005)
Vince Young (2006) is potentially a bust

Young played in a more wide open offense but Alex Smith did not.


So I have no idea how you've come up with this list or been able to define their college systems but when I see a name like Jerry Tagge associated with wide open spread or run and shoot offenses playing for Nebraska it throws all of the rest in doubt as well except for the two you nailed who played at Houston and possibly Akili Smith.

Neither of us will in all likelihood finds quotes from the Bears or others written around the time of the 1999 draft but when I tell you that was the Bears story on McClown and you can bank it.  I've been following this team with far more insight for far longer than you have and I usually prove that to you each time I post.  I have no reason to BS you or anyone else.  Those are or at least were the facts at that time.

Just because you're pissed off I called you out on one more misconception about where McClown was drafted won't change anything.   If you don't like reading my contradictions of those misconceptions don't read them.  We don't have any rules that require you to do we?  You don't have to accept anything I post because I rarely accept at face value most of what you do because it's wrong many many times.

Now, my opinion, regardless of what anyone else says is that Kizer would be a poor 1st round pick for us and I've given you my reason for it.  If you'd like to talk about the future and not dig up the past some of which there is no way to prove other than whatever was said about McClown proved to be wrong very quickly.  The rest of my opinion is that if Kizer is really THE most NFL ready passer in this draft then it is indeed a very poor draft to need to take a QB in that high.  That may change later on but it's not likely. 

Now, it's time to see how our current QB is doing and whether or not our Cali "surfer dude" in his wet suit can manage an offense under severe winter conditions.  I'm far more interested in his prospects than I am about discussing ancient history and a dikhead like McClown.

Well, no. We had the 7th pick of the draft. I would imagine that he was shouting for Culpepper before the trade down when they still had the 7th pick and he was still on the board.

Wouldn't make much sense to shout for a guy after he was taken. It would also make it known for the Vikings to move up in front of the Bears to get Culpepper.