Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 16:40:07 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Feb 25, 2024 16:40:07 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 16:01:49 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

This really isn't a thing anymore. NFL offenses use the shotgun formation on like 80% of their snaps. Times have changed.

You're right in that the shotgun is used a lot more than in the past. Some teams use the shotgun more than others... Baltimore and Arizona over 90%. But league wise it's more like 65% or 70% in the gun now. But you still need to be able to work under center.

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"All of the coaches from (Mike) Shanahan's system, they still put the quarterback under center a lot for the play-action game," said NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger, who spent 13 years as an NFL offensive linemen. "But all of these other teams, they're in the gun. Because [the quarterback] can just see more. They can see the backside. They can see the field a little bit better. I think the vision for the quarterback is a big reason for the explosion of the shotgun."

"I think the good teams do both," Gannon said. "If you watch the really good teams, you'll see (Patrick) Mahomes and Rodgers be under center and in the gun. They'll change it up. Sometimes they'll throw the quick game from under center. Sometimes they'll throw it from the gun.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 20:00:10 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Feb 25, 2024 20:00:10 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 16:01:49 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Feb 25, 2024 12:15:50 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1
Yeah, Caleb Williams works out of the shotgun rather than under center as he will be doing in the NFL. I've read comments from NFL quarterbacks that this is a HUGE thing in-and-of-itself to get used to - at NFL speed and the elite NFL defenses that are light-years better than what Caleb faced on the west coast (weak D's compared even to other universities). It sounds like Maye is more "Pro Ready" right now. Could Caleb be the better QB? Sure. But it's not a given that he will be... just like Bryce Young vs Stroud last year. As you said, "you just don't know until you know."

This really isn't a thing anymore. NFL offenses use the shotgun formation on like 80% of their snaps. Times have changed.

Hell, Bears run shotgun on 3rd-and-1.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 20:32:34 GMT -6 JABF and Whisky Beer Bob like this

Post by dachuckster on Feb 25, 2024 20:32:34 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 16:40:07 GMT -6 JABF said:

Feb 25, 2024 16:01:49 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

This really isn't a thing anymore. NFL offenses use the shotgun formation on like 80% of their snaps. Times have changed.

You're right in that the shotgun is used a lot more than in the past. Some teams use the shotgun more than others... Baltimore and Arizona over 90%. But league wise it's more like 65% or 70% in the gun now. But you still need to be able to work under center.

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"All of the coaches from (Mike) Shanahan's system, they still put the quarterback under center a lot for the play-action game," said NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger, who spent 13 years as an NFL offensive linemen. "But all of these other teams, they're in the gun. Because [the quarterback] can just see more. They can see the backside. They can see the field a little bit better. I think the vision for the quarterback is a big reason for the explosion of the shotgun."

"I think the good teams do both," Gannon said. "If you watch the really good teams, you'll see (Patrick) Mahomes and Rodgers be under center and in the gun. They'll change it up. Sometimes they'll throw the quick game from under center. Sometimes they'll throw it from the gun.

I did some research on this a while ago and I was seeing that many of the offense schemer types feel that an offense has many more options for executing plays out of a "standard" or under center snap than out of a shotgun-based snap. And it makes defensive play calling to negate these options much more complex and difficult. I'll be the first to state my personal lack of knowledge on whether or not this is true. Just that it was what I was reading.

Here is a recent NFL on ESPN video of a group of ex-NFL players discussing it. Assuming all of this is in fact true, it would give a team with the appropriately skilled QB along with the higher functioning skill players needed to run an adaptive and sophisticated offense a distinct advantage as they could basically execute 95% of their playbook out of a pretty vanilla pro set formation.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6 AlexM likes this

Post by mpbears68 on Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 14:33:52 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Feb 25, 2024 13:46:15 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I agree. but if they take a QB at 1, he is going to start. Thrown to the wolves

And then when the new QB prospect runs into growing pains, all the folks screaming for a new QB will start all over again by screaming for a new QB.

Come on, that's not true.

No one was calling Mitch or Justin to be replaced in their first 2 seasons. Barring a guy being a clear disaster, we all understand there's a learning curve there at the most difficult position in sports.

Oh and btw, unless there's already a really good vet already in place, pretty much every top-10 drafted QB starts in their rookie year. There's nothing remotely unusual about that so it isn't "throwing to the wolves".

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 21:53:40 GMT -6 Whisky Beer Bob likes this

Post by bearsinhouston on Feb 25, 2024 21:53:40 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Feb 25, 2024 14:33:52 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

And then when the new QB prospect runs into growing pains, all the folks screaming for a new QB will start all over again by screaming for a new QB.

Come on, that's not true.

No one was calling Mitch or Justin to be replaced in their first 2 seasons. Barring a guy being a clear disaster, we all understand there's a learning curve there at the most difficult position in sports.

Oh and btw, unless there's already a really good vet already in place, pretty much every top-10 drafted QB starts in their rookie year. There's nothing remotely unusual about that so it isn't "throwing to the wolves".

No, but depending on who we play, it could be throwing to the Lions, Panthers or Bengals

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 21:59:37 GMT -6 bears40 likes this

Post by JABF on Feb 25, 2024 21:59:37 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Feb 25, 2024 14:33:52 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

And then when the new QB prospect runs into growing pains, all the folks screaming for a new QB will start all over again by screaming for a new QB.

Come on, that's not true.

No one was calling Mitch or Justin to be replaced in their first 2 seasons. Barring a guy being a clear disaster, we all understand there's a learning curve there at the most difficult position in sports.

Oh and btw, unless there's already a really good vet already in place, pretty much every top-10 drafted QB starts in their rookie year. There's nothing remotely unusual about that so it isn't "throwing to the wolves".

The sad thing is, that while most folks will be patient the first year or two, I guarantee you will read the social media posts that Poles picked a bust at QB if Williams struggles this year. Book it. It's just how the meatballs roll.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 25, 2024 22:13:42 GMT -6 JABF likes this

Post by bearsinhouston on Feb 25, 2024 22:13:42 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 21:59:37 GMT -6 JABF said:

Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Come on, that's not true.

No one was calling Mitch or Justin to be replaced in their first 2 seasons. Barring a guy being a clear disaster, we all understand there's a learning curve there at the most difficult position in sports.

Oh and btw, unless there's already a really good vet already in place, pretty much every top-10 drafted QB starts in their rookie year. There's nothing remotely unusual about that so it isn't "throwing to the wolves".

The sad thing is, that while most folks will be patient the first year or two, I guarantee you will read the social media posts that Poles picked a bust at QB if Williams struggles this year. Book it. It's just how the meatballs roll.

That poor kid already has so much expectation put on him. "Generational", "magical", etc. Those expectations tend to go with being able to put the team an your back and win. They don't indicate being able to put the team on your back and win next year or the year after. Just that you can. So people expect to see it. And if it doesn't happen, then he didn't live up to expectations. It's actually a QB killer in my mind.
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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 26, 2024 8:57:20 GMT -6 Whisky Beer Bob likes this

Post by paytonisgod on Feb 26, 2024 8:57:20 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2024 21:59:37 GMT -6 JABF said:

Feb 25, 2024 21:24:17 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Come on, that's not true.

No one was calling Mitch or Justin to be replaced in their first 2 seasons. Barring a guy being a clear disaster, we all understand there's a learning curve there at the most difficult position in sports.

Oh and btw, unless there's already a really good vet already in place, pretty much every top-10 drafted QB starts in their rookie year. There's nothing remotely unusual about that so it isn't "throwing to the wolves".

The sad thing is, that while most folks will be patient the first year or two, I guarantee you will read the social media posts that Poles picked a bust at QB if Williams struggles this year. Book it. It's just how the meatballs roll.

Meatballs are going to meatball. They're a loud minority of fans who have no say in anything important. Who cares. Just ignore them.

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Bears digging into the QB1 intangibles this week. Feb 26, 2024 9:04:16 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Feb 26, 2024 9:04:16 GMT -6

Feb 26, 2024 8:57:20 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Meatballs are going to meatball. They're a loud minority of fans who have no say in anything important. Who cares. Just ignore them.

Words of truth there, especially about how "loud" the noise is from this crowd. They sure can fill social media in particular. But you are right. Just ignore them.

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