It's so weird bc most of the year, Hoge was 100% keep Fields the issue is Getsy. Then the season was wrapping up and he started looking at stats, and Jahns really started hammering home some specific stat related on field stuff and he has st 180'd. And Gabriel went the exact opposite way around the same time.
Just bizzaro world. It's like this season started to break both of them
I have followed these guys closely and yeah Hoge was very much a Fields fan until the last month or so of the season. Pretty much like me.
He finally gave up on him and so did I. And of course having the #1 pick tips the scales too.
To his credit though, Hoge called out problems he was seeing back in TC and reported the O looked like sketchy. He got a lotta shit for it too cuz no one wanted to believe that at the time.
I remember that, and I wasn't surprised. I kept telling people that there wasn't enough done to fix the mess that was this O. Didn't believe Mooney was a 2 or 3 and never bought that CC was just needing an off-season. And said they needed a C and 1 or 2 GS bc Teven wasnt reliable bc of injury concerns. Moore and Wright weren't enough to fix this O and the "O looking good" for a spe last year was never real either.
Just not sure what GG is seeing to think otherwise. I almost wonder if Warren wasn't slipping information to people to see what got out. Again thinking that one of the last people in HH knew was Stien and how GG reacted like Warren murder raped someone when Stein was let go.
Here is the problem with any analysis that you ever do - you always look at the end data without looking at the map. You simply can't compare Fields vs Love based on passing yards. Love had 209 more attempts than Fields (579 to 370). Love also had a whole 1/2 yard more in intended air yards per Passing Attempt, which suggests the play calling in Chicago (higher number of screen passes, etc.) was holding Fields back in that aspect (especially considering it's a known fact that Fields loves to air it out downfield). Their completed air yards per completion is only .1 yard difference (Love is higher). Given that, if their number of attempts were similar, the numbers, such as passing yards, would most likely be very close. Your rambling, illogical nonsense is tiring.
Fields missed 4 games due to injury. Some might say that was "just a fluke". I would point out that it happened on a classic Fields screwup play (he literally held the ball >6 secs on that play) and therefore is not an anomaly.
Regardless, as Ric and others have pointed out, its really really hard to call a pass offense for a QB with his issues. Getsy for all his shortcomings was the fall guy, let's be honest. Unless JF has excellent pass pro, he pretty much sucks as a passer. I have pointed out the details of that ad nauseum so I won't go through every detail again. When asked to do a quick pass attack, his delivery and release are too slow. His throws are imprecise too often. When asked to throw intermediate level, he doesn't read fast enough, misses the middle-of-the-field too often, and sucks at passing with anticipation. He waits until guys are open, i.e. way too long, and therefore leaves plays on the table plus takes a lot of extra sacks.
So....the Bears had to run the ball a lot. Because running (which they generally did well at) and chucking an occasional deep shot are the only offensive tactics Fields can run successfully on a consistent basis anyway.
Fields and Love went head-to-head twice and twice Love was the better QB by a large margin.
It wasn't close.
I never said Love wasn't the better QB. I said you can't come to that conclusion using only passing yards from this year because Love had over 200 more attempts. What I did say is that given the same attempts, the data suggests the passing yards would be pretty close. Even looking at last year, Fields only had 318 pass attempts, while the passing yards leader (Mahomes ) had 648 attempts.
Honestly, at this point, I have zero confidence that the Bears will make the right choice, whatever that choice will be. I think if we keep Fields, he will continue to struggle and Williams will turn out to be legit. I think if we trade Fields and draft Williams, then Williams will end up sucking and Fields will go on to be a star. It doesn't even matter at this point, the Bears never make the right decision, whatever that decision should be.
Honestly, at this point, I have zero confidence that the Bears will make the right choice, whatever that choice will be. I think if we keep Fields, he will continue to struggle and Williams will turn out to be legit. I think if we trade Fields and draft Williams, then Williams will end up sucking and Fields will go on to be a star. It doesn't even matter at this point, the Bears never make the right decision, whatever that decision should be.
Yeah... history has made us all question if they will ever get the QB right. And how they do on the QB colors how we think of all that they do.
Honestly, at this point, I have zero confidence that the Bears will make the right choice, whatever that choice will be. I think if we keep Fields, he will continue to struggle and Williams will turn out to be legit. I think if we trade Fields and draft Williams, then Williams will end up sucking and Fields will go on to be a star. It doesn't even matter at this point, the Bears never make the right decision, whatever that decision should be.
I keep thinking the best way to make a right decision this time, is to have the best coaches and players to support the QB position - whether the future QB is a draftee, Fields or even bringing in a veteran. If the coaching and player talent is there, then the offense can be solid with Fields or a draftee or even a veteran guy you bring in. But if you flip that, and you fail to provide the coaching and players to ensure success with your QB, then hey, you are going to fail. I get it that folks will point out exceptions where a QB overcame bad coaches/players and the team still won... but those are exceptions not the rule. Just because some team "did it the hard way" as an exception, should not mean the Bears should try to do it the hard way too. Right?
Some will say you don't get a perfect team to support a QB. But nobody is SAYING perfect here. Bears can't even get above a steaming pile of crap when it comes to coaching/players on offense. We still have a broken OL. We only have 1 WR. We have not had a good offensive coach here in years. Let's fix that. Maybe then a QB can shine here.
Honestly, at this point, I have zero confidence that the Bears will make the right choice, whatever that choice will be. I think if we keep Fields, he will continue to struggle and Williams will turn out to be legit. I think if we trade Fields and draft Williams, then Williams will end up sucking and Fields will go on to be a star. It doesn't even matter at this point, the Bears never make the right decision, whatever that decision should be.
I keep thinking the best way to make a right decision this time, is to have the best coaches and players to support the QB position - whether the future QB is a draftee, Fields or even bringing in a veteran. If the coaching and player talent is there, then the offense can be solid with Fields or a draftee or even a veteran guy you bring in. But if you flip that, and you fail to provide the coaching and players to ensure success with your QB, then hey, you are going to fail. I get it that folks will point out exceptions where a QB overcame bad coaches/players and the team still won... but those are exceptions not the rule. Just because some team "did it the hard way" as an exception, should not mean the Bears should try to do it the hard way too. Right?
Some will say you don't get a perfect team to support a QB. But nobody is SAYING perfect here. Bears can't even get above a steaming pile of crap when it comes to coaching/players on offense. We still have a broken OL. We only have 1 WR. We have not had a good offensive coach here in years. Let's fix that. Maybe then a QB can shine here.
The one thing I know 99.9% is that Harrison, unless he breaks a knee, is going to be a phenomenal WR who does not need a better QB than Fields to do what Moore did with Fields. The two of them will rack 2000+ with Fields or whoever comes after him IMO.
I keep thinking the best way to make a right decision this time, is to have the best coaches and players to support the QB position - whether the future QB is a draftee, Fields or even bringing in a veteran. If the coaching and player talent is there, then the offense can be solid with Fields or a draftee or even a veteran guy you bring in. But if you flip that, and you fail to provide the coaching and players to ensure success with your QB, then hey, you are going to fail. I get it that folks will point out exceptions where a QB overcame bad coaches/players and the team still won... but those are exceptions not the rule. Just because some team "did it the hard way" as an exception, should not mean the Bears should try to do it the hard way too. Right?
Some will say you don't get a perfect team to support a QB. But nobody is SAYING perfect here. Bears can't even get above a steaming pile of crap when it comes to coaching/players on offense. We still have a broken OL. We only have 1 WR. We have not had a good offensive coach here in years. Let's fix that. Maybe then a QB can shine here.
The one thing I know 99.9% is that Harrison, unless he breaks a knee, is going to be a phenomenal WR who does not need a better QB than Fields to do what Moore did with Fields. The two of them will rack 2000+ with Fields or whoever comes after him IMO.
No they won't. Fields does not throw that much and will never throw that much. At best you might get 500 yards more out of fields giving him 3000 total yards. You be wasting someone here. Rather that be Kmet, DJ Moore, or Harrison.
I keep thinking the best way to make a right decision this time, is to have the best coaches and players to support the QB position - whether the future QB is a draftee, Fields or even bringing in a veteran. If the coaching and player talent is there, then the offense can be solid with Fields or a draftee or even a veteran guy you bring in. But if you flip that, and you fail to provide the coaching and players to ensure success with your QB, then hey, you are going to fail. I get it that folks will point out exceptions where a QB overcame bad coaches/players and the team still won... but those are exceptions not the rule. Just because some team "did it the hard way" as an exception, should not mean the Bears should try to do it the hard way too. Right?
Some will say you don't get a perfect team to support a QB. But nobody is SAYING perfect here. Bears can't even get above a steaming pile of crap when it comes to coaching/players on offense. We still have a broken OL. We only have 1 WR. We have not had a good offensive coach here in years. Let's fix that. Maybe then a QB can shine here.
The one thing I know 99.9% is that Harrison, unless he breaks a knee, is going to be a phenomenal WR who does not need a better QB than Fields to do what Moore did with Fields. The two of them will rack 2000+ with Fields or whoever comes after him IMO.
I'm in full agreement with you. Fix this broken OL. Fix the WR room (other than DJ it's all trash). Bring in a legit quality coach on offense who can actually, you know, COACH. Things like scheme/play-calling/game-planning matter. If you don't have that, then it doesn't matter WHO your quarterback is. So, yeah, bring in a guy like MHJ and a quality coach and fix the damned OL - and watch the magic happen. IF the team fails to fix the coaching and player talent on offense, then we will 100% watch the new kid bust here. Don't care who the "new kid" is. He will bust. We have all seen this movie before. We know how this ends (unless we are pretty ignorant meatballs).
The one thing I know 99.9% is that Harrison, unless he breaks a knee, is going to be a phenomenal WR who does not need a better QB than Fields to do what Moore did with Fields. The two of them will rack 2000+ with Fields or whoever comes after him IMO.
No they won't. Fields does not throw that much and will never throw that much. At best you might get 500 yards more out of fields giving him 3000 total yards. You be wasting someone here. Rather that be Kmet, DJ Moore, or Harrison.
News flash: Gestsy is gone. The new OC (hopefully) will throw enough to win the game. You can have 2500+ rushing yards + 3500+ passing yards yielding 6000+ TOTAL OFFENSE. I can’t get you or MP to talk about TOTAL OFFENSE.