At Ohio State, he had star receivers like Olave and Waddle who could get quick separation and give Fields an easy target. They rolled up a lot of yardage. I see the same thing with Moore and Harrison. With those two plus Kmet, we would have a good passing game to complement our NFL leading rushing game. 6000+ total yards.
College and NFL are too completely different things. Most QB's from college don't do well in the NFL. Fields has been struggling for years here in Chicago. Some of it isn't his fault but he has shown it’s not worth investing into him long term. He has a 86 passing rating. Mitch Trubisky was a better passer than him.
Yes, but what I said is not different between college and pro. When you have TWO Pro Bowl quality receivers, it really boosts the QBs effectiveness.
Ask butkus whether Trubisky is better than Fields. Trubisky sucks. He just got benched for their 3rd string QB.
College and NFL are too completely different things. Most QB's from college don't do well in the NFL. Fields has been struggling for years here in Chicago. Some of it isn't his fault but he has shown it’s not worth investing into him long term. He has a 86 passing rating. Mitch Trubisky was a better passer than him.
Yes, but what I said is not different between college and pro. When you have TWO Pro Bowl quality receivers, it really boosts the QBs effectiveness.
Ask butkus whether Trubisky is better than Fields. Trubisky sucks. He just got benched for their 3rd string QB.
Trubisky had multiple years where he threw for 3k+ yards here with the Bears. We're heading into year 4 with Fields career high being 2.5k with the best WR the Bears have ever had with DJ Moore.
At Ohio State, he had star receivers like Olave and Waddle who could get quick separation and give Fields an easy target. They rolled up a lot of yardage. I see the same thing with Moore and Harrison. With those two plus Kmet, we would have a good passing game to complement our NFL leading rushing game. 6000+ total yards.
College and NFL are too completely different things. Most QB's from college don't do well in the NFL. Fields has been struggling for years here in Chicago. Some of it isn't his fault but he has shown its not worth investing into him long term. He has a 86 passing rating. Mitch Trubisky was a better passer than him.
Most players don't transition from college to pro, it's a completely different level. Top athletes rarely stand out, it takes exceptional ones at this level; and both have to put in the mental and physical work to make it.
College most of these guys that are drafted were the 1% of the 1% and it was life on easy mode. NFL is the 1% of the 1% of the 1%; and 70% of those aren't going to make it more than 4 years. QB is one of, if not THE hardest position to play in all of sports; it's not surprise it takes a ton of things in place to make most work out even moderately. JF came into, much like Mitch, one of the worst situations for a qb it's not surprise he struggled. front office turnover, poor ol, poor receivers, young hc/oc learning on the job w/him. And he started to soon b/c of the previous staff. And then the team didn't even bother trying to put the pieces in place to help develop him(OL/WR's..plural). But there is no fixing the level of broke he is.
Goff wasn't good enough and outside of his rookie year through 3-4k yards every year. Dak isn't good enough and looks like a qb god compared to Fields. Stafford needed to go from a bad team, that at least tried to build around him, to a complete team ready for a SB run to get there. Ryan never had it, and no one, NO ONE, is going to think Matt Ryan was a lesser QB then Fields. Fields isn't even in the same discussion as those guys, and those guys for the vast majority of their career were never seen as tier 1(ie Brady/Manning/Rogers esque). Fields isn't even on their level. Closest guy to Fields is L Jax, and he's got a shot to get to .500 in the playoffs if he wins the SB; currently 1-3. And even he had a 3k yard season, and only has(other then his rookie year) 1 season w/less passing yards then Fields.
For all the moaning of drops, Fields % is basically right there w/Jacksons also, and Staffords, and Goffs. Most of his "advanced stats" according to pro-football referencee are similar to all those guys. Know what isn't. On target %. His never gets over 74, most of those guys after a few years are 75-80. LJax is the only one that dips under 75 after their first 2 seasons. On Target % is about the QB, not the playcall, not the targets, not the OL. Whats maddening is that it's not the deep ball that is the problem; guarantee its the short/mid that screws up that stat for him.It's like Rex all over again, but JF isn't to short to see over his OL.
Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.
Not consistently, and that's the problem. The Game against Alt, and the 2nd half vs I think Det. He showed he can throw into tight windows accurately. Problem is he has never shown a willingness to do it week in and week out for entire games. He's done it once. That isn't an issue w/the playcaller, the playcaller assumes his qb will make those throws; it's a qb problem.
And he almost NEVER does it in 4th quarter, when it counts the most! To be perfectly honest that one is a dealbreaker for me. All else I could go around, find an explanation/excuse, but this is plain bad. Very bad.
He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.
Man... Reading your predraft 'facts' about Justin one sure wonders why he didnt go at no.1 or 2.
I can tell u why, because his play was a mirage, as we can see. Take a look where his surrounding cast was drafted. Fields played in a fairy land.
And now, just for giggles, compare it with where Calebs surrounding cast will be drafted (mocks).
Fields had a stud OL at OSU too. He had 4+ seconds to throw not uncommonly. He's never gonna get that routinely in an NFL pocket.
Man... Reading your predraft 'facts' about Justin one sure wonders why he didnt go at no.1 or 2.
I can tell u why, because his play was a mirage, as we can see. Take a look where his surrounding cast was drafted. Fields played in a fairy land.
And now, just for giggles, compare it with where Calebs surrounding cast will be drafted (mocks).
Fields had a stud OL at OSU too. He had 4+ seconds to throw not uncommonly. He's never gonna get that routinely in an NFL pocket.
True, but I think his TTT would be under 3.0 with Harrison. Never in Tua’s league, but good enough. We’ll probably never know unless he ends up on a good team with two elite WRs.
Fields had a stud OL at OSU too. He had 4+ seconds to throw not uncommonly. He's never gonna get that routinely in an NFL pocket.
True, but I think his TTT would be under 3.0 with Harrison. Never in Tua’s league, but good enough. We’ll probably never know unless he ends up on a good team with two elite WRs.
What?
That makes zero sense. His TTT is slow because he doesn't throw with anticipation. That's a Fields-problem, not a receiver-problem.
True, but I think his TTT would be under 3.0 with Harrison. Never in Tua’s league, but good enough. We’ll probably never know unless he ends up on a good team with two elite WRs.
What?
That makes zero sense. His TTT is slow because he doesn't throw with anticipation. That's a Fields-problem, not a receiver-problem.
butkus said he doesn’t see that problem with Moore on the all-22, because Fields trusts Moore to be where he is supposed to be. It won’t take long to develop the same trust with Harrison. He is also a precision route runner like Moore. He can run the whole route tree.
That makes zero sense. His TTT is slow because he doesn't throw with anticipation. That's a Fields-problem, not a receiver-problem.
butkus said he doesn’t see that problem with Moore on the all-22, because Fields trusts Moore to be where he is supposed to be. It won’t take long to develop the same trust with Harrison. He is also a precision route runner like Moore. He can run the whole route tree.
That's pure speculation. You could easily say Fields goes to Moore because he has trouble making more than one read and DJ Moore is usually going to be the primary read. Adding MHJ wouldn't fix that problem.
Also if Fields not trusting his receivers is true, that's as much an indictment of him as his receivers, if he's incapable of trusting his own teammates.
butkus said he doesn’t see that problem with Moore on the all-22, because Fields trusts Moore to be where he is supposed to be. It won’t take long to develop the same trust with Harrison. He is also a precision route runner like Moore. He can run the whole route tree.
That's pure speculation. You could easily say Fields goes to Moore because he has trouble making more than one read and DJ Moore is usually going to be the primary read. Adding MHJ wouldn't fix that problem.
Also if Fields not trusting his receivers is true, that's as much an indictment of him as his receivers, if he's incapable of trusting his own teammates.
This is true every team in the league that has one Pro Bowl WR and all the others are JAGS (or worse). Bears current situation.
For those that have two Pro Bowl caliber WRs, the targeting gets spread between them. That’s not speculation. It’s a fact.
