Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter......

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 10:57:30 GMT -6 shark86 and jusnixx like this

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Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Jan 18, 2024 5:36:10 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

He has the talent, there is a mental block that doesn't allow it.

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 10:59:46 GMT -6 JABF likes this

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Jan 18, 2024 10:57:30 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.

He still has it. He throws a great deep ball. He needs more time and a gifted QB coach. The best I know is Tom Clements, but there has to be someone else at least close to his caliber

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:09:20 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Jan 18, 2024 11:09:20 GMT -6

Jan 17, 2024 20:10:29 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Jan 17, 2024 19:59:20 GMT -6 davidl said:

He played two more games in 2022 and had more runs by design.

Because he got hurt one a play where he held the ball too long.

Which will likely be an ongoing problem for him for obvious reasons.

It was a fluke injury. He got sacked 50 times without breaking his thumb. With the number of hits he took in 2022, many QBs would have been on IR by mid season. With Harrison coming, he has two WRs who can get quick separation, allowing him to get the ball out faster and fewer hits. These things are all related to each other.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:09:39 GMT -6

Post by motm on Jan 18, 2024 11:09:39 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 10:57:30 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.

College is a different thing. The NFL is a lot quicker and many QBs struggle to become the next thing in NFL. I've seen 3 seasons of subpar performance in passing. I see Jordan Love first real season with 4k passing yards.

Sadly I believe the Bears most likely will ruin the next QB seeing that they cheaped out and kept Flus without even giving Harbaugh an interview. No self respecting OC will want to come here knowing that Flus is on the hot seat. Same problem we had with John Fox and Nagy is happening again.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:11:19 GMT -6

Post by motm on Jan 18, 2024 11:11:19 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 11:09:20 GMT -6 davidl said:

Jan 17, 2024 20:10:29 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Because he got hurt one a play where he held the ball too long.

Which will likely be an ongoing problem for him for obvious reasons.

It was a fluke injury. He got sacked 50 times without breaking his thumb. With the number of hits he took in 2022, many QBs would have been on IR by mid season. With Harrison coming, he has two WRs who can get quick separation, allowing him to get the ball out faster and fewer hits. These things are all related to each other.

How do you know that? Based on Mooney underperforming and some of it isn't his fault either. Fields is maybe a 2 target QB. Meaning even with Harrison someone will underperform. If that's Moore, Kmet, or Harrison.

He's not a throwing QB. His career high isn't even close to 3k.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:15:10 GMT -6 via mobile

Post by AlexM on Jan 18, 2024 11:15:10 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 10:57:30 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.

Man... Reading your predraft 'facts' about Justin one sure wonders why he didnt go at no.1 or 2.

I can tell u why, because his play was a mirage, as we can see. Take a look where his surrounding cast was drafted.
Fields played in a fairy land.

And now, just for giggles, compare it with where Calebs surrounding cast will be drafted (mocks).

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:23:42 GMT -6 AlexM likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 18, 2024 11:23:42 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Jan 18, 2024 5:36:10 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

He has the talent, there is a mental block that doesn't allow it.

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

Not consistently, and that's the problem. The Game against Alt, and the 2nd half vs I think Det. He showed he can throw into tight windows accurately. Problem is he has never shown a willingness to do it week in and week out for entire games. He's done it once. That isn't an issue w/the playcaller, the playcaller assumes his qb will make those throws; it's a qb problem.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:25:22 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 18, 2024 11:25:22 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 10:57:30 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 18, 2024 10:21:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Yea he's talented physically as a running QB. Nothing shows me he can do it as a passing QB.

He provided evidence of being a gifted passer before the Bears got ahold of him. He had an amazing deep ball touch and accuracy in particular. I would argue that it was better than ANY quarterback in this year's draft. It was just a beautiful passing gift. Then he got the Nagy treatment... and after that he got Getsy'd here (sucked to put a kid through that). Can he now be fixed? I don't know. Hopefully the Bears learned something from this and won't ruin the next guy who comes here... but I say that after every QB we draft.

It's not a talent issue, nor is it a coaching issue. It's a mental issue w/in him. He doesn't want to throw to NFL open WR's.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Jan 18, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 11:11:19 GMT -6 motm said:

Jan 18, 2024 11:09:20 GMT -6 davidl said:

It was a fluke injury. He got sacked 50 times without breaking his thumb. With the number of hits he took in 2022, many QBs would have been on IR by mid season. With Harrison coming, he has two WRs who can get quick separation, allowing him to get the ball out faster and fewer hits. These things are all related to each other.

How do you know that? Based on Mooney underperforming and some of it isn't his fault either. Fields is maybe a 2 target QB. Meaning even with Harrison someone will underperform. If that's Moore, Kmet, or Harrison.

He's not a throwing QB. His career high isn't even close to 3k.

At Ohio State, he had star receivers like Olave and Waddle who could get quick separation and give Fields an easy target. They rolled up a lot of yardage. I see the same thing with Moore and Harrison. With those two plus Kmet, we would have a good passing game to complement our NFL leading rushing game. 6000+ total yards.

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Jordan Love, in his 1st season as an NFL starter...... Jan 18, 2024 11:29:38 GMT -6

Post by motm on Jan 18, 2024 11:29:38 GMT -6

Jan 18, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -6 davidl said:

Jan 18, 2024 11:11:19 GMT -6 motm said:

How do you know that? Based on Mooney underperforming and some of it isn't his fault either. Fields is maybe a 2 target QB. Meaning even with Harrison someone will underperform. If that's Moore, Kmet, or Harrison.

He's not a throwing QB. His career high isn't even close to 3k.

At Ohio State, he had star receivers like Olave and Waddle who could get quick separation and give Fields an easy target. They rolled up a lot of yardage. I see the same thing with Moore and Harrison. With those two plus Kmet, we would have a good passing game to complement our NFL leading rushing game. 6000+ total yards.

College and NFL are too completely different things. Most QB's from college don't do well in the NFL. Fields has been struggling for years here in Chicago. Some of it isn't his fault but he has shown its not worth investing into him long term. He has a 86 passing rating. Mitch Trubisky was a better passer than him.

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