You know this how? They're picking 24th...you're telling me you know FOR SURE that whatever 5th or 6th ranked QB that would get drafted there would be as good as Dak. Please tell me the power ball numbers too.
Oddly enough, look how many of those guys seem to make it when they go to clubs taking a shot at a qb that doesn't need to start day 1, and for a club that is already pre build instead of having to build around in the future.
Almost like stability from a good team matters and not just the players ability.
Absolutely! I think we witnessed that here with what happened with Fields. Just looking back on the draft though...it doesn't help ALL the time. Kenny Pickett went to a stable organization...he's been, as you would say, mid. Same with Mac Jones...who's actually been bad. Though neither of those guys had the benefit of sitting. Looking back at the recent drafts, the only QB's who have had time sitting that I can think of were Love, and Mahomes. Every one else started their rookie years.
You know this how? They're picking 24th...you're telling me you know FOR SURE that whatever 5th or 6th ranked QB that would get drafted there would be as good as Dak. Please tell me the power ball numbers too.
You trade up like the Chiefs did. Alex Smith is around a similar level as Dak is. Guess what. They went and got a talented QB and became a dynasty.
Well for one, who are they trading up for? The top 3 qb's in the draft are predicted to go 1, 2, and 3. The Chiefs gave up a 1, a 3 and a 1 the next year to move up to 10. Let's just say they trade up to 1. The closest deal thats been done like that was when the Rams traded up from 15 to 1. They gave up a 2016 1, 2, and 3, plus a 2017 1 and 3. Dallas would have to give up 3 years of 1st's and all the rest of their 2024 picks to move into the top 3. Thats a good plan to you?
Secondly, Dak is so much better than Alex Smith its not even funny. His completion percentage, yards per game, passing TD's, QB Rating, rushing TD's all far outpace Smith. He's also thrown WAY less INT's.
This is silly. It's not an all or nothing thing. The way you make it sound you shouldn't even bother to play the season unless you have an elite QB.
The lesson here is that having an elite QB can improve your chances over not having one. Not that you shouldn't even bother if you don't have one. There are a number of teams that have a SB with less than elite QBs, even over ones with elite QBs. It's just that you are improving your odds from year to year having someone like that in the backfield, over a team that doesn't.
The apparent downside of not having that kind of QB just means more things need to go right for the whole team if you want to win a SB. A couple of bad injuries, or players just not playing well, can sink a team with a lesser QB. Someone like Mahomes or Brady can help make up for those issues when they happen, where other weaker QBs might not.
So it's not stupid to pay Dak and Cousins if those are your best options. It's certainly possible for either of those teams to win a SB if things go their way one year with one of them at QB. It just isn't likely to be a ongoing thing.
The argument for moving on from JF is not that the Bears could never win a SB with him. It's just that drafting Williams will greatly improve our chances of getting there on consistent basis. We may even get an elite QB who can improve our odds the way other elite QBs help their teams.
We THINK it improves the chances. Truth is we have no freakin idea if Williams will be any better than Fields.
Fair enough. We don't know that. However, I would say the odds are good that he will be better than JF, and he may even be a lot better, given what i have seen of him.
Oddly enough, look how many of those guys seem to make it when they go to clubs taking a shot at a qb that doesn't need to start day 1, and for a club that is already pre build instead of having to build around in the future.
Almost like stability from a good team matters and not just the players ability.
Absolutely! I think we witnessed that here with what happened with Fields. Just looking back on the draft though...it doesn't help ALL the time. Kenny Pickett went to a stable organization...he's been, as you would say, mid. Same with Mac Jones...who's actually been bad. Though neither of those guys had the benefit of sitting. Looking back at the recent drafts, the only QB's who have had time sitting that I can think of were Love, and Mahomes. Every one else started their rookie years.
Not sure I would call what Pitt is currently stable. Not sure what they are doing, but they needed a strong OL since Big Ben retired and have largely ignored it. drafted 3 Wr's and let 2 go, all having either qualities you want in a WR, but all having issues w/work ethic or mental stability.
I'm starting to think Tomlin isn't so much a great HC, as he was a good one capable of winning w/the team Cowher built, but unable to replenish is as those players leave. Seems like more of a controlled tear down then a stable org. Thing is, he's been around long enough, longer then Cowher was there, to know what and who he's looking for in the draft and FA also. Feels very Lovie like in his inability to find players to fit what he wants to do.
not sure why we talk about Dak or Cousins here. There is a difference taking the QB left over picking #1 and have to get the guy you want.
If we wouldn't have the #1 overall pick we'd only be talking about what position and who we go after with #9 overall. We wouldn't talk about replacing Fields. This is a topic because there is a chance to get a better prospect with good chances that prospect turns out better than what we already have.
We're talking Dak/Cousins since that's Fields ceiling.
Why should we pay Fields that money when they can't win meaningful games for their team?
^This. Nothing about Fields as an nfl player screams playoff winner. Luckily he hasn't shown an ability to even get there, so there is no reason to keep him around.
If they do, it will come w/a huge cost and a lot of losing.
The fact is that a guy who can win you a lot of games in the regular season but chokes in the playoffs is not that easy to replace with a rookie. Stroud is the exception. If the Cowboys cut Dak, they would significantly reduce their chances. I think you’ll see that with the Vikings, too.
If the goal is to just win regular seasons then that's fine. Some owners are ok with that spot light as it brings them a lot of money.
They may not. What if Williams is on Allen level? They would become the next dynasty or competing with Chiefs.
I've noticed now a few times that it would be nice to have an Allen type QB bit talk I'll of Dak and Cousins. So far Allan has not won a Super Bowl so but your logic he is a waste of money.
You know this how? They're picking 24th...you're telling me you know FOR SURE that whatever 5th or 6th ranked QB that would get drafted there would be as good as Dak. Please tell me the power ball numbers too.
You trade up like the Chiefs did. Alex Smith is around a similar level as Dak is. Guess what. They went and got a talented QB and became a dynasty.
The problem with that is that even if in a parallel universe we played the Chiefs and had the exact players they had on our team, we would lose. They have much better coaching. The QB is just one piece. I think one of the most important, of course, but it takes more than a talented QB. The players around him, the coaches.... they are all a part of if you have a team that can win a SB against the other teams that have good players and coaches.
You trade up like the Chiefs did. Alex Smith is around a similar level as Dak is. Guess what. They went and got a talented QB and became a dynasty.
The problem with that is that even if in a parallel universe we played the Chiefs and had the exact players they had on our team, we would lose. They have much better coaching. The QB is just one piece. I think one of the most important, of course, but it takes more than a talented QB. The players around him, the coaches.... they are all a part of if you have a team that can win a SB against the other teams that have good players and coaches.
Some Bears fans just can't grasp this ^^^^^ They think you just "draft a QB" and it's dynasty time here in Chicago. Teams like the Chiefs are the complete package... at least as complete as you get in the NFL (you never attain perfect). They have the QB1 and the other factors in place too. That's what we ultimately need here for the Bears to be successful. QB is vitally important, but the rest is important too. But fans just have a difficult time understanding that this isn't a one variable equation. There are other factors that need to be solved to get a good outcome. brasilbear is a teacher... I'll bet he could get us fans buffed up on the math :-)
If the goal is to just win regular seasons then that's fine. Some owners are ok with that spot light as it brings them a lot of money.
They may not. What if Williams is on Allen level? They would become the next dynasty or competing with Chiefs.
I've noticed now a few times that it would be nice to have an Allen type QB bit talk I'll of Dak and Cousins. So far Allan has not won a Super Bowl so but your logic he is a waste of money.
Did I miss something?
Allen is the second best QB of his generation. Dude is tied with the most post season TDs for a QB at 26 behind only Mahomes before the age of 30. He's only 28 btw. He won't beat Mahomes record since he has 20 more TDs do to more post season games played. Bills offense has outscored even the chiefs from 2020 onward.
Stats are meaningful. You guys should use them in arguments before calling someone a waste.
The problem with that is that even if in a parallel universe we played the Chiefs and had the exact players they had on our team, we would lose. They have much better coaching. The QB is just one piece. I think one of the most important, of course, but it takes more than a talented QB. The players around him, the coaches.... they are all a part of if you have a team that can win a SB against the other teams that have good players and coaches.
Some Bears fans just can't grasp this ^^^^^ They think you just "draft a QB" and it's dynasty time here in Chicago. Teams like the Chiefs are the complete package... at least as complete as you get in the NFL (you never attain perfect). They have the QB1 and the other factors in place too. That's what we ultimately need here for the Bears to be successful. QB is vitally important, but the rest is important too. But fans just have a difficult time understanding that this isn't a one variable equation. There are other factors that need to be solved to get a good outcome. brasilbear is a teacher... I'll bet he could get us fans buffed up on the math :-)
Yet some bear fans think building a 1985 super team is enough to make Fields an elite QB. Not knowing there was no salary cap in that era and the football was played different. Heck that offense that year was #2 in the league while the 1986 defense was even better than the 85 one but didn't have a QB.
QB is the most important factor in winning no matter what. Without the QB, you lose.