I just named 9...and it could be 10 if you think Puca is legit to go along with Kupp.
And how many of those nine teams are truly SB contenders? One, maybe two. The others have no chance due to lack of QB or poor QB & OL play.
Puka Nacua had an amazing season but it's still too early to tell if he's gonna have longterm success.
Miami was, but they got bit bad by the injury bug, and there was no way they were winning a game in sub zero temps. Easy bet anyone could have made. San Fran is, Cincy was until Burrows went down, Philly obviously was...they were there last year, Dallas was as well.
I just named 9...and it could be 10 if you think Puca is legit to go along with Kupp.
Yeah regardless of what happens at QB, Bears definitely need another WR. Several actually and this class is stacked at the position.
Mooney could have been that guy but he fell off a cliff and wow, him and Justin have zero chemistry at all. Fields pretty much stopped throwing his way altogether.
Yeah, Bears should absolutely double dip at the position this year just like the Packers did last year in a strong tight end draft. Actually the Pack double dipped at tight end and receiver last year. Bears must add weapons on the offensive side of the ball.
Look what GB did, I loved seeing their draft and talked about it at the time. It didn't need to be taking a top WR early, But 2 TE's and a WR in the first 3 rounds, and another WR in the 5th. They committed to fixing what was going on w/the O. They knew what they were looking for at took it.
You don't need the BEST WR in the draft, you have Moore, what you need is several good WR's to build around him, and you need a 2nd TE that can be effective in the passing game. More than that you need a starting C and a starting OG and a backup OG and OT.
Luckily the team has draft capital, and FA cap space to clean up much of this.
I'd be looking to spend money in FA on Defense and OC. If there's a vet C available in FA who's solid, Poles should be all over that. Shouldn't even be that expensive. I don't think you want to entrust a rookie QB to a rookie C. You can draft a C/G maybe 4th round or so to develop as we could use another iOL for depth. Patrick and Whitehair will be gone and Nate Davis didn't exactly have a great season.
But I'd be going heavy offense in this draft. After Caleb, you need 2 WRs minimum plus another TE plus at least one OL.
Dump Eddie i-don't-tackle Jackson and sign a S in FA.
Safety and Center are probably two of the cheapest positions to acquire on the FA market.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately. If they're going Caleb at 1, I'd want a veteran center to help with calling protections and adjustments. You need to help that young QB in every way you can. You'd be asking a lot for a rookie QB and a rookie center to be saddled with that much responsibility.
I agree with all of that, Ric. I would add that some folks were talking early in the season like Green Bay's young WRs were trash. Yes, they were making mistakes and not looking that good at the beginning. But as the season went on they improved. Right now those guys look like a bright future for GB. My point is that it does take time for new guys to develop into good players. Of course that development will not happen without good coaches, schemes - and the young guys DO have to have the level of raw talent that CAN be developed (some players obviously never have it to begin with). This just reminds me of how critically important it is that the Bears bring in great coaching talent on offense this off season. Get a great OC who can manage the position coaches well, game plan well & call a good game.
You never expect much from rookie WR's. They likely have never had to deal w/the level of DB play in college that is in the NFL. Route's and moves have to be exact and crisp you aren't going to out athlete an NFL DB most of the time. Moss was one of the greatest ever, and even he struggled at times against Tillman.
The fact that they improved that quickly is impressive. Stat wise, no one stood out, but Love was able to just find the open WR and get them there b/c there was no safety valve, which was even more impressive for Love.
The good OC's are scheming guys open. They're not asking them to get open on their own like Getsy was with our receivers. If you rewatch the last game against them and the playoff game against Dallas...their guys are running wide open all over the place. LaFleur just does a masterful job getting those guys open. If you look at the top offenses in the league, they're all using pre-snap and at the snap motion to get guys open. I found a chart breaking it down:
Rank Team At the Snap Motion Motion total
1. Miami 68% 82.8%
2. LA Rams: 44% 70.4%
3. 49ers 37.7% 75.4%
4. Packers 36.3% 64%
5. Detroit 28.9% 62.1%
6. Ravens 28.2% 51.6%
7. Seattle 26.4% 50.9%
Bears used at the snap motion only 21.8% of the time and their total motion percentage was 58%. And I'd argue a large portion of the percentage of total motion didn't come until the last half of the season. Getsy asked guys do to do stuff only DJ Moore was capable of doing.
You never expect much from rookie WR's. They likely have never had to deal w/the level of DB play in college that is in the NFL. Route's and moves have to be exact and crisp you aren't going to out athlete an NFL DB most of the time. Moss was one of the greatest ever, and even he struggled at times against Tillman.
The fact that they improved that quickly is impressive. Stat wise, no one stood out, but Love was able to just find the open WR and get them there b/c there was no safety valve, which was even more impressive for Love.
The good OC's are scheming guys open. They're not asking them to get open on their own like Getsy was with our receivers. If you rewatch the last game against them and the playoff game against Dallas...their guys are running wide open all over the place. LaFleur just does a masterful job getting those guys open. If you look at the top offenses in the league, they're all using pre-snap and at the snap motion to get guys open. I found a chart breaking it down:
Rank Team At the Snap Motion Motion total
1. Miami 68% 82.8%
2. LA Rams: 44% 70.4%
3. 49ers 37.7% 75.4%
4. Packers 36.3% 64%
5. Detroit 28.9% 62.1%
6. Ravens 28.2% 51.6%
7. Seattle 26.4% 50.9%
Bears used at the snap motion only 21.8% of the time and their total motion percentage was 58%. And I'd argue a large portion of the percentage of total motion didn't come until the last half of the season. Getsy asked guys do to do stuff only DJ Moore was capable of doing.
Every scheme that is run is run w/the idea of guys being open b/c of it. If you think otherwise you are either not thinking, or ignoring it to prove a point. There were guys open in the chicago O, and the QB wasn't throwing them the ball. We don't know why, could be they weren't open when he needed them to be, could be he didn't trust them to be where they needed to be, could be he needs guys college football open, and that doesn't happen consistently, even for Miami and LA; who all have far better O's weapons around the QB. Even if we were to pretend it did, you mentioned 7 teams, the league is 32. Players play, and good players play on good teams. Mooney and whoever else was thrown out there opposite Moore wouldn't sniff the field of a playoff caliber O like LA or Miami. Claypool is squarely on the bench in Miami 5th/6th on the depth chart. Mooney is far closer to that production level then he is Moore.
Next OC won't be any better then Getsy if he has to deal w/an Interior OL that is hurt/bad and WR's that run into eachother b/c they don't know the routes for the called plays. btw, Getsy didn't design 1 play w/the intention of 2 players in the same area as potential passing targets. That happened b/c these guys are bad at their job. Getsy's gone, deserved to be the O wasn't developing. JF should be gone, you cannot build a successful O around a qb that drops his eyes to run b/c he decided he didn't want to throw the ball even when he shouldn't have.
I'd be looking to spend money in FA on Defense and OC. If there's a vet C available in FA who's solid, Poles should be all over that. Shouldn't even be that expensive. I don't think you want to entrust a rookie QB to a rookie C. You can draft a C/G maybe 4th round or so to develop as we could use another iOL for depth. Patrick and Whitehair will be gone and Nate Davis didn't exactly have a great season.
But I'd be going heavy offense in this draft. After Caleb, you need 2 WRs minimum plus another TE plus at least one OL.
Dump Eddie i-don't-tackle Jackson and sign a S in FA.
Safety and Center are probably two of the cheapest positions to acquire on the FA market.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately. If they're going Caleb at 1, I'd want a veteran center to help with calling protections and adjustments. You need to help that young QB in every way you can. You'd be asking a lot for a rookie QB and a rookie center to be saddled with that much responsibility.
The good OC's are scheming guys open. They're not asking them to get open on their own like Getsy was with our receivers. If you rewatch the last game against them and the playoff game against Dallas...their guys are running wide open all over the place. LaFleur just does a masterful job getting those guys open. If you look at the top offenses in the league, they're all using pre-snap and at the snap motion to get guys open. I found a chart breaking it down:
Rank Team At the Snap Motion Motion total
1. Miami 68% 82.8%
2. LA Rams: 44% 70.4%
3. 49ers 37.7% 75.4%
4. Packers 36.3% 64%
5. Detroit 28.9% 62.1%
6. Ravens 28.2% 51.6%
7. Seattle 26.4% 50.9%
Bears used at the snap motion only 21.8% of the time and their total motion percentage was 58%. And I'd argue a large portion of the percentage of total motion didn't come until the last half of the season. Getsy asked guys do to do stuff only DJ Moore was capable of doing.
Every scheme that is run is run w/the idea of guys being open b/c of it. If you think otherwise you are either not thinking, or ignoring it to prove a point. There were guys open in the chicago O, and the QB wasn't throwing them the ball. We don't know why, could be they weren't open when he needed them to be, could be he didn't trust them to be where they needed to be, could be he needs guys college football open, and that doesn't happen consistently, even for Miami and LA; who all have far better O's weapons around the QB. Even if we were to pretend it did, you mentioned 7 teams, the league is 32. Players play, and good players play on good teams. Mooney and whoever else was thrown out there opposite Moore wouldn't sniff the field of a playoff caliber O like LA or Miami. Claypool is squarely on the bench in Miami 5th/6th on the depth chart. Mooney is far closer to that production level then he is Moore.
Next OC won't be any better then Getsy if he has to deal w/an Interior OL that is hurt/bad and WR's that run into eachother b/c they don't know the routes for the called plays. btw, Getsy didn't design 1 play w/the intention of 2 players in the same area as potential passing targets. That happened b/c these guys are bad at their job. Getsy's gone, deserved to be the O wasn't developing. JF should be gone, you cannot build a successful O around a qb that drops his eyes to run b/c he decided he didn't want to throw the ball even when he shouldn't have.
Watch the All 22 and tell me there were guys open when they needed to be on a consistent basis who weren't named DJ Moore.
Every scheme that is run is run w/the idea of guys being open b/c of it. If you think otherwise you are either not thinking, or ignoring it to prove a point. There were guys open in the chicago O, and the QB wasn't throwing them the ball. We don't know why, could be they weren't open when he needed them to be, could be he didn't trust them to be where they needed to be, could be he needs guys college football open, and that doesn't happen consistently, even for Miami and LA; who all have far better O's weapons around the QB. Even if we were to pretend it did, you mentioned 7 teams, the league is 32. Players play, and good players play on good teams. Mooney and whoever else was thrown out there opposite Moore wouldn't sniff the field of a playoff caliber O like LA or Miami. Claypool is squarely on the bench in Miami 5th/6th on the depth chart. Mooney is far closer to that production level then he is Moore.
Next OC won't be any better then Getsy if he has to deal w/an Interior OL that is hurt/bad and WR's that run into eachother b/c they don't know the routes for the called plays. btw, Getsy didn't design 1 play w/the intention of 2 players in the same area as potential passing targets. That happened b/c these guys are bad at their job. Getsy's gone, deserved to be the O wasn't developing. JF should be gone, you cannot build a successful O around a qb that drops his eyes to run b/c he decided he didn't want to throw the ball even when he shouldn't have.
Watch the All 22 and tell me there were guys open when they needed to be on a consistent basis who weren't named DJ Moore.
you cannot watch the all 22 and know who and when. Sorry to shatter your reality, but Cutler told everyone; a long while ago, including a former Bear WR, that if you on the team and in the huddle you don't know the play or what was supposed to happen. All you can see is if they did or didn't. Remember the GB DB's defending Mitch for not throwing to an "open" WR in the endzone? Even when they look open, sometimes they aren't. Biggest take away w/that was Mitch should have already had the ball out; an issue the current QB has; and no OC can fix that issue; see Mitch on 2 other playoff teams still struggling.
Other than seeing players block or trip their teammates I 100% believe that. And if you think you can, well sorry again you can't, nor can I. and The "experts" that break it down, are just taking their best guess, but they don't know either.
Post by bearsinhouston on Jan 17, 2024 22:31:17 GMT -6
I am thinking that some of these guys being interviewed are actually being interviewed for offensive coaching positions other than OC. That always happens to some extent, but I think more than normal this year.
Watch the All 22 and tell me there were guys open when they needed to be on a consistent basis who weren't named DJ Moore.
you cannot watch the all 22 and know who and when. Sorry to shatter your reality, but Cutler told everyone; a long while ago, including a former Bear WR, that if you on the team and in the huddle you don't know the play or what was supposed to happen. All you can see is if they did or didn't. Remember the GB DB's defending Mitch for not throwing to an "open" WR in the endzone? Even when they look open, sometimes they aren't. Biggest take away w/that was Mitch should have already had the ball out; an issue the current QB has; and no OC can fix that issue; see Mitch on 2 other playoff teams still struggling.
Other than seeing players block or trip their teammates I 100% believe that. And if you think you can, well sorry again you can't, nor can I. and The "experts" that break it down, are just taking their best guess, but they don't know either.
Thats a fair point and I also know that. Its why I don't put much into PFF grades. I can only go by what I see though. And what I saw was guys running routes being asked to win on their own. Others, like Baldy, agree with that sentiment. Based on my years of playing, coaching, and talking with guys who play, I think I have a decent idea of whats going on on a football field. Do I know the play calls? No. Won't say otherwise.