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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 6:37:08 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

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If you’re playing RT exclusively, you’re a right tackle. You obviously need studs at both positions, but there is an important difference — the QB gets hit from blind side on the left. I want my best pass blocker on the left for that reason.

Where did I say anything about RT or LT, exclusively or that even being important? Don't get your conversations all in a mix.

The best best pass rushers move around, blind side or not the qb not having time to throw is the problem. Your old world thinking of the NFL is outdated and not in line w/how the game is played. I don't care where you want what, unless you are coaching. The NFL coaches want to OT's that can do the job at a high level.

Go back and read what I wrote. Edge rushers can flip from one side to the other from one play to the next. Tackles do not. Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“. But I also said there is a difference, because the QB gets hit on his blind from the left, so I want my best pass blocker on the left. That won’t change until QBs grow eyes in the back of their heads.

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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 9:00:27 GMT -6

Post by motm on Nov 8, 2023 9:00:27 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 8, 2023 6:37:08 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Where did I say anything about RT or LT, exclusively or that even being important? Don't get your conversations all in a mix.

The best best pass rushers move around, blind side or not the qb not having time to throw is the problem. Your old world thinking of the NFL is outdated and not in line w/how the game is played. I don't care where you want what, unless you are coaching. The NFL coaches want to OT's that can do the job at a high level.

Go back and read what I wrote. Edge rushers can flip from one side to the other from one play to the next. Tackles do not. Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“. But I also said there is a difference, because the QB gets hit on his blind from the left, so I want my best pass blocker on the left. That won’t change until QBs grow eyes in the back of their heads.

At the same time. Teams don't put their best edge rushers on the blind side like they used too. They flip them back and forth. I don't think it really matters like it used to to have a great LT and an ok RT. NFL is a changing game. 10 years ago a WR was a back seat to other positions. Now imo WR is #2 most important position behind QB and are getting paid like pass rushers now.

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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 9:11:53 GMT -6 AlexM likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Nov 8, 2023 9:11:53 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Nov 8, 2023 6:37:08 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Where did I say anything about RT or LT, exclusively or that even being important? Don't get your conversations all in a mix.

The best best pass rushers move around, blind side or not the qb not having time to throw is the problem. Your old world thinking of the NFL is outdated and not in line w/how the game is played. I don't care where you want what, unless you are coaching. The NFL coaches want to OT's that can do the job at a high level.

Go back and read what I wrote. Edge rushers can flip from one side to the other from one play to the next. Tackles do not. Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“. But I also said there is a difference, because the QB gets hit on his blind from the left, so I want my best pass blocker on the left. That won’t change until QBs grow eyes in the back of their heads.

Go back and re read what I said, I don't care what you want b/c you are not a gm/hc.

You need 2 studs at OT, don't care if it's left or right. That's irrelevant and you are only saying it to try and reduce the positive impact of Wright. Right now he's one of 2 effective OL on this team, and he's a rookie. I'll take that 100% of the time.

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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 9:28:42 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Nov 8, 2023 9:28:42 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 9:11:53 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Go back and read what I wrote. Edge rushers can flip from one side to the other from one play to the next. Tackles do not. Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“. But I also said there is a difference, because the QB gets hit on his blind from the left, so I want my best pass blocker on the left. That won’t change until QBs grow eyes in the back of their heads.

Go back and re read what I said, I don't care what you want b/c you are not a gm/hc.

You need 2 studs at OT, don't care if it's left or right. That's irrelevant and you are only saying it to try and reduce the positive impact of Wright. Right now he's one of 2 effective OL on this team, and he's a rookie. I'll take that 100% of the time.

My comment has nothing to do with Wright. It’s a true statement that has been true forever. A QB is most vulnerable to hits coming from his blind side. That shouldn’t even be debatable to anybody like you who watches football. Therefore, it only makes sense to put your best pass blocker on the left side. Try to address that point in your next reply please.

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Post by JABF on Nov 8, 2023 9:30:14 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“.

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And in addition to that, a great OL has a baseline talent threshold across all five positions. I totally agree with you that you need studs at the T positions. In addition to that a great OL will have a stud center, the heart and soul of the IOL. Like our two super bowl teams, you need that guy to be a football brilliant guy (like perennial Pro Bowlers Hilgenberg of those great '80's teams and the 1985 Bears Super Bowl season, and Kreutz in the 2000's and our super bowl year in 2006). A great OL begins there. If you have a JAG like Sam Mustipher, Patrick or a tired/worn-out Whitehair, well you're screwed... doesn't matter who else is on that OL because the weak C will pull the unit down. QB's won't have a pocket to work in (makes me sick to watch our C's get tossed like a rag doll and steamrolled like a bug hitting a windshield). I think the easiest positions on the OL to fill are the G's. They are not THAT hard to find. But an elite-level center has to be a special combination of power/speed/intelligence... and a level above the G positions. I'm not saying you throw in a JAG at the guard positions. They need to be solid too. Just saying the C position, played at an elite level, requires a very special skill set.

I don't understand why the Bears wouldn't invest a 2nd round draft pick in the C position. You can often get the best C in the draft there. The ROI is immense for a team to invest in an elite C to anchor their interior OL. I get it, the Bears don't have their second round pick now... but I'm talking about the Bears should have invested in the C position years ago. This shouldn't even be an issue (again) this season. And don't just throw some tired ass vet JAG in there. Get an elite C in the draft, the best. Best. Then watch the return on that investment pay dividends for the next 10+ years.

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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 9:39:14 GMT -6 JABF likes this

Post by davidl on Nov 8, 2023 9:39:14 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 9:30:14 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“.

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And in addition to that, a great OL has a baseline talent threshold across all five positions. I totally agree with you that you need studs at the T positions. In addition to that a great OL will have a stud center, the heart and soul of the IOL. Like our two super bowl teams, you need that guy to be a football brilliant guy (like perennial Pro Bowlers Hilgenberg of those great '80's teams and the 1985 Bears Super Bowl season, and Kreutz in the 2000's and our super bowl year in 2006). A great OL begins there. If you have a JAG like Sam Mustipher, Patrick or a tired/worn-out Whitehair, well you're screwed... doesn't matter who else is on that OL because the weak C will pull the unit down. I think the easiest positions on the OL to fill are the G's. The center has to be a special combination of power/speed/intelligence... and a level above the G positions. I'm not saying you throw in a JAG at the guard positions. They need to be solid too. Just saying the C position, played at an elite level, requires a very special skill set. JMO.

I totally agree. A great OL is anchored by a great center. Right now, we don’t even have one who can snap the ball straight.

Kelce is the main reason the Eagles are automatic on their Tush Push, along with the fact that Hurts can squat 600 pounds. These other teams who try it don’t have a center/QB combo like the Eagles.

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Grading the rookies... Nov 8, 2023 9:44:06 GMT -6

Post by davidl on Nov 8, 2023 9:44:06 GMT -6

Nov 8, 2023 9:00:27 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 8, 2023 8:44:38 GMT -6 davidl said:

Go back and read what I wrote. Edge rushers can flip from one side to the other from one play to the next. Tackles do not. Therefore, as I said, “you need studs at both positions“. But I also said there is a difference, because the QB gets hit on his blind from the left, so I want my best pass blocker on the left. That won’t change until QBs grow eyes in the back of their heads.

At the same time. Teams don't put their best edge rushers on the blind side like they used too. They flip them back and forth. I don't think it really matters like it used to to have a great LT and an ok RT. NFL is a changing game. 10 years ago a WR was a back seat to other positions. Now imo WR is #2 most important position behind QB and are getting paid like pass rushers now.

I agree it was more divided years ago. But even if it’s now closer to 50/50, the rusher from the left is most dangerous, because of the blind side vulnerability.

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