What does PFF say about Jimmy, they're apparently the end all be all
I never seen anything about Jimmy G in PFF.
Neither have I, twas a joke though. Don't really care if they think he's the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. For what he's going to cost, and the Browns likely trying to pursue him the cost would be way to high.
Neither have I, twas a joke though. Don't really care if they think he's the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. For what he's going to cost, and the Browns likely trying to pursue him the cost would be way to high.
Well, the Browns management is worse than the Bears.. So they will give up a lot for Jimmy G.
Neither have I, twas a joke though. Don't really care if they think he's the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. For what he's going to cost, and the Browns likely trying to pursue him the cost would be way to high.
Well, the Browns management is worse than the Bears.. So they will give up a lot for Jimmy G.
Well they have 2 firsts and 2 2nds so they have the ammo to get it done without risking their future
Of course you know the answer is yes. So how can you defend a grading system that says they grade all those the same? Explain it.
Easy. Just like you and everyone here, it's easy to tell when someone fucks up.
RARELY if ever do I see someone here take into account scheme. I see a lot of stat mongering (which doesn't take into account scheme, btw). If I see a player WHIFF a tackle, if I see an OL get burned around the edge, If I see a DB 5 feet behind the receiver, I don't need to know their assignment to know they fucked up and I can give them a grade especially when it's a simple grade of -2 to + 2 on each play (like PFF does).
Now, to the broader point. YOU don't watch every player on every play. Hell, I am pretty comfortable making the assertion that you rarely watch every play in a game (bathroom breaks, beer breaks, blow outs). You probably don't know or keep track of who's on the field in a given play other than those who the camera pans to and who are directly involved in the play or the **** up. You also don't go back and rewatch the game looking at every player on every play and you aren't triple checked by a grade you give to a player.
Hopefully you can understand that much.
You don't do those things but you still blather a lot.
I like to blather too, but I am willing to trust those who watch the game with a closer eye than me. Let's name the people who watch the game closer. The Bears staff and players. K but they aren't gonna reveal shit. Opposing teams - they aren't gonna reveal shit. Scouts. They aren't gonna reveal shit. Pro Football Focus. They reveal there info.
So while the Bears, their competition, and scouts would be better sources of information, they aren't giving us info. The next best source is PFF. They aren't the best source. They aren't the second or third best, but they are FAR FAR FAR FAR superior to the blathering of fans like you who look at a stat sheet and camera pans to inform their opinions.
Now, back to the topic. I'm working on the Nick K. tape but since i'm wasting time on you, it's gonna be another couple days. I'm done talking about the PFF topic.
PFF is a superior source of info than Ric and that's just the facts.
More deflection I'm not surprised.. NO ONE HERE IS PAID, NO ONE HERE CLAIMS EXPERTISE. More importantly, no one here is grading a player and staing they are better or worse then anyone else on other teams.
Stop Deflecting. Can someone grade a 3-4 OLB in a zome sheme and a 4-3 OLB in a man scheme the same way and have that grade be accurate?
Right not the only person blathering is you trying to find a way to defend the indefensible.
More deflection I'm not surprised.. NO ONE HERE IS PAID, NO ONE HERE CLAIMS EXPERTISE. More importantly, no one here is grading a player and staing they are better or worse then anyone else on other teams.
Stop Deflecting. Can someone grade a 3-4 OLB in a zome sheme and a 4-3 OLB in a man scheme the same way and have that grade be accurate?
Right not the only person blathering is you trying to find a way to defend the indefensible.
How am I deflecting? I'm answering your question. What's your definition of deflection ric?
You didn't answer any question Do different schemes change the responsibility of positions? IE does a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 OLB, or 3-4 DE and a 4-3 DE have the same jobs? yes or no. you didn't answer
Do different coverage's w/in those schemes further change responsibility? IE do zone coverage CB's have the same jobs as man coverage CB's? Does man or zone blocking matter along the line? yes or no, you didn't answer
Can someone grade a 3-4 OLB in a zone scheme and a 4-3 OLB in a man scheme the same way and have that grade be accurate? yes or no, you didn't answer.
The very definition of deflection is not answering the questions you are asked.
You didn't answer any question Do different schemes change the responsibility of positions? IE does a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 OLB, or 3-4 DE and a 4-3 DE have the same jobs?
Do different coverage's w/in those schemes further change responsibility? IE do zone coverage CB's have the same jobs as man coverage CB's? Does man or zone blocking matter along the line? yes or no
Can someone grade a 3-4 OLB in a zone scheme and a 4-3 OLB in a man scheme the same way and have that grade be accurate? yes or no
The very definition of deflection is not answering the questions you are asked.
Obviously the answer to all of them (based on the way the question is framed), in a black and white world, is yes.
Now, here are my grades of every snap Nicky took in the first half. I didn't pay ANY attention to scheme, just him and I don't think there's really much to dispute.
1. 1st and 10 on Lions 22YL: Kwiat covers RB in the left flat (strong coverage). Ball thrown elsewhere +0 2. 1st and 10 on Lions 33YL: Run play to the left edge. +3 yards Kwiat assists on tackle (group tackle) +0 3. 2and7 Lions 36YL: Run right edge. Kwiat assists LeBlanc on tackle +2 yards (assist – good stop) +1 4. 3and5 on Lions 38YL: Kwiat rushes passer on the right side. Pushes pocket no pressure +0 5. 1and10 Lions 45: Kw. Covers RB in the left flat. Ball thrown to the right side. +0 6. 2and8 Lions 47: KW covers short middle zone. Ball’s thrown left sideline. +0 7. 1and10 Bears 42: KW sheds block, makes run tackle (+3 yards) +0.5 8. 2and7 Bears 39: KW covers right middle in PassPro (ball thrown short right). +0 9. 3and2 Bears 34: KW Covers RB out of left edge. Stafford sacked +0 10. 1and10 Lions 25: KW attacks RB on run left. Blocked out. Run stopped for +2. -0.5 11. 2and8 Lions 27: KW rushes passer and pressures QB (hits) – still completes +0.5 12. 1and10 Lions 42: KW QB read and rush. Ball thrown away (int. grounding) +0 13. 2and20 Lions 42: KW tackles FB for 2yard gain +0.5 14. 3and18 Lions 40: KW drops in coverage. Handoff. KW assists tackle for +5 yards +0 15. 1and10 Lions 17: KW tackles FB on run through middle (+2). Good read and react. +0.5 16. 2and8: L19: KW covers middle zone. Ball thrown elsewhere. 17. 3and4 L23: KW on Ebron. Ebron runs crossing route catches pass beating coverage (+8yds) -0.5 18. 1and10 L29: KW coverage on Unrein sack +0 19. 2and13 L:26: KW coverage on RB to right. Pass thrown left side. +0 20. 1and10 L40: RUN NEGATED PENALTY 21. 1and20 L30: KW Pass Rush (dbl team blocked) pass incomplete +0 22. 2and20 L30: KW coverage left side. Screen pass, KW jumps through good block and slows RB down (blows up play) (+4 yard gain) +0.5 23. 3and16 L34: KW coverage left middle zone. Pass elsewhere. +0 24. 1an 10 C18: RB right tackle. KW assists in gang tackle +2yards +0 25. 2and8 C16: KW in coverage middle. Ball thrown right. +0 26. 3and3 C13: KW crossing man coverage. Ball thrown other side incomplete. +0 27. 1and10 L19: KW in coverage, play breaks down Floyd and KW force out of bounds for sack +0.5 28. 2and10 L19: KW pass rush. PENALTY NO PLAY +0 29. 1and10 B43: KW Pass rush dbl team. Incomplete pass. +0 30. 2and10 B43: KW Pass rush bulrushes – little pressure. Incomplete pass. +0 31. 3and10 B43: KW pass rush and applies pressure but pass is complete despite pressure. +0.5 32. 1and10 B33: KW coverage left side – ball thrown right side for 7 yards. +0 33. 2and3 B26: KW Pass rush – no pressure but incomplete +0 34. 3and3 B26: KW coverage. Stafford scrambles. Penalty on Porter. +0 35. 1and10 B16: KW coverage middle. Batted pass. +0 36. 2and10 B16: KW coverage middle. Ball thrown right. KW poor tackle assist allows 1down -0.5 37. 1and10 B6: penalty +0 38. 1and10 B16: KW coverage middle. Pass right. +0
