On a serious note, the Lions average just over 80 yards rushing a game, they had 114 today, and their 2 rb's averaged 4.0 and 5.0 ypc today. That is on the ILB's and the DE's. None should have a passing grade, other then Hicks b/c of his QB pressures.
From my vantage and I commented on this all game, Nicky looked really strong. Don't make a blanket statement about the LBs. Unless you tracked their every move during the game and have some specific evidence to back that up I call bogus. I Was tracking Nick during most of the defensive snaps and routinely saw effective tracking of plays, gap filing, defensive stops in the backfield and instinctive play. He wasn't challenged in the pass game so it's hard to assert a grade there but I didn't see him make any major errors during the entire game, always saw him around the ball, and saw him make numerous positive defensive stops (including multiple run stuffs and a QB sack.
Here I am making a blanket statement. Not all 100+ yards came on Timu's side. Unless you can prove that it did; none of us know the assignments, you cannot assume to know the assignments. PFF doesn't even pretend to try and know the assignments. So all that said, it's the ILB's job to stop the rush, Det is historically bad at running and they ran all over the Bears. That is on EVERY ILB, not on 1 or 2 of them.
Blanketed. If you'd like to provide some actual proof other then your eyes, which are not qualified, that my statement is incorrect feel free. But your opinion is as equally unqualified as my opinion; only difference is that i'm making a general statement and you're trying to narrow it down to something specific, which neither are capable of doing.
From my vantage and I commented on this all game, Nicky looked really strong. Don't make a blanket statement about the LBs. Unless you tracked their every move during the game and have some specific evidence to back that up I call bogus. I Was tracking Nick during most of the defensive snaps and routinely saw effective tracking of plays, gap filing, defensive stops in the backfield and instinctive play. He wasn't challenged in the pass game so it's hard to assert a grade there but I didn't see him make any major errors during the entire game, always saw him around the ball, and saw him make numerous positive defensive stops (including multiple run stuffs and a QB sack.
Here I am making a blanket statement. Not all 100+ yards came on Timu's side. Unless you can prove that it did; none of us know the assignments, you cannot assume to know the assignments. PFF doesn't even pretend to try and know the assignments. So all that said, it's the ILB's job to stop the rush, Det is historically bad at running and they ran all over the Bears. That is on EVERY ILB, not on 1 or 2 of them.
Blanketed. If you'd like to provide some actual proof other then your eyes, which are not qualified, that my statement is incorrect feel free. But your opinion is as equally unqualified as my opinion; only difference is that i'm making a general statement and you're trying to narrow it down to something specific, which neither are capable of doing.
I will. It'll take awhile though. I haven't had the desire to cut up film in gifs. I will say the single biggest reason the Lions ran all over the Bears is because they were forced into nickel and dime packages almost the entire game due to their shitty secondary play. I'd say they were in a base 3-4 for less than 25% of their snaps. The other reason is due to Staffords dislocated finger on his throwing hand. Stafford couldn't throw the ball effectively with an effed up hand, so Cooter dialed up more run plays AND da bears STILL played nickel and dime BS.
Still, when I go back and watch the game I'll even go into it controlling my bias and give it an objective second look.
I think his true test this season will be going against Green Bay.... The game was winnable.
I don't think any quarterbacks true test is one game. I think it's their consistency or lack-there-of throughout the season.
Every one of these games is going to be a test. He came into this game with only 2 starts (he didn't start in the GB game) and this was a quality opponent today. Ford Field was deafeningly loud too... you could tell it was difficult for the offense due to the noise at times.
He could have crapped the bed today, and I thought he might. But he held up pretty well. I do think he dodged a few bullets and had a couple passes that could have been intercepted. But for the most part he was really solid.
I agree it is only 3 games now. And 3 games to go. Six games will give us a general idea of what he can do. I am enjoying watching him play though. He kept his wits about him in this game. He gave us a chance to win.
Im on my phone now so its a pain but those are the det rush totals going bk to wk 9...other the the 19 rush nothing significatly highee in rushes to explain a 30+ yard gain on their average.
If they were mostly in nickle then thats 1 ilb and ill be surprised if that wasnt mostly nick with timu coming out. And if nick was coming out a lot then much like amos getting benched the 1st half is speaks more about them
Im on my phone now so its a pain but those are the det rush totals going bk to wk 9...other the the 19 rush nothing significatly highee in rushes to explain a 30+ yard gain on their average.
If they were mostly in nickle then thats 1 ilb and ill be surprised if that wasnt mostly nick with timu coming out. And if nick was coming out a lot then much like amos getting benched the 1st half is speaks more about them
Like I said, I'm going to cut it up and post it here. I do want to say, I think it's pompous of you to think that your broad view of a game and generalized assumptions about play is superior to a game critic at PFF who's getting paid to track individual players and grade their performance. PFF gave him the highest def. grade on the Bears. To me, that means he's doing something right. I saw him doing a lot of great things on the field. Yet, obviously your opinion on the matter is king because you have a theory... Kind of pompous dude.
Im on my phone now so its a pain but those are the det rush totals going bk to wk 9...other the the 19 rush nothing significatly highee in rushes to explain a 30+ yard gain on their average.
If they were mostly in nickle then thats 1 ilb and ill be surprised if that wasnt mostly nick with timu coming out. And if nick was coming out a lot then much like amos getting benched the 1st half is speaks more about them
Like I said, I'm going to cut it up and post it here. I do want to say, I think it's pompous of you to think that your broad view of a game and generalized assumptions about play is superior to a game critic at PFF who's getting paid to track individual players and grade their performance. PFF gave him the highest def. grade on the Bears. To me, that means he's doing something right. I saw him doing a lot of great things on the field. Yet, obviously your opinion on the matter is king because you have a theory... Kind of pompous dude.
Again PFF DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SCHEME, they don't try, they don't care, they don't want to. I Find it pompous of them to think they can just break down a play and grade/score it w/out even trying to understand what the play/player was supposed to do. Plenty of people get paid to do shit they are qualified to do, and PFF is just another fine example.
You did it just here, assuming that Det just ran more on the Bears and that's why they got all those yards, and yet over the last several games that really wasn't the case. You were drawing conclusions to assumption w/out even looking at the film. I'm here taking a very broad vew, admittedly so, who's being pompous again?
Like I said, I'm going to cut it up and post it here. I do want to say, I think it's pompous of you to think that your broad view of a game and generalized assumptions about play is superior to a game critic at PFF who's getting paid to track individual players and grade their performance. PFF gave him the highest def. grade on the Bears. To me, that means he's doing something right. I saw him doing a lot of great things on the field. Yet, obviously your opinion on the matter is king because you have a theory... Kind of pompous dude.
Again PFF DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SCHEME, they don't try, they don't care, they don't want to. I Find it pompous of them to think they can just break down a play and grade/score it w/out even trying to understand what the play/player was supposed to do. Plenty of people get paid to do shit they are qualified to do, and PFF is just another fine example.
You did it just here, assuming that Det just ran more on the Bears and that's why they got all those yards, and yet over the last several games that really wasn't the case. You were drawing conclusions to assumption w/out even looking at the film. I'm here taking a very broad vew, admittedly so, who's being pompous again?
You are. My assumptions will be supported - that's how I started my last post - in case you want a review - "LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO CUT IT UP AND POST IT HERE."
Also, regarding PFF, I'll start caring about them considering scheme as soon as you start taking into account scheme. Hell, you don't give specific evidence yet I'm supposed to believe you over PFF? Pfft
Your assumptions are supported? By what? Have you cust/posted anything yet? Yet you already started forming opinion of what happened, and I already showed, VIA STATS, that it wasn't accurate. You have your assumptions now you'll cut/paste to try and support your assumptions; it's already a flawed scientific method.
I don't have to take scheme into account(although I do), i'm not paid, nor am I my stating some kind of expertise on the subject. People, such as yourself, profess PFF as some kind of godsend of football enlightenment. But if they don't bother to know what they are doing, ie scheme matters in the NFL you and I both know it, then they are not experts. Actually worse then that they are blissfully ignorant.
It makes their opinions at best as good as mine, and shit at least I know the difference between what a 3-4 DE does and what a 4-3 DE does, what is expected of a MLB in the different systems. At least I know that an OT doesn't have the same job in every scheme. Apparently PFF doesn't. And shit that doesn't even take into consideration that some, take Ulracher, weren't asked to rush the passer much, how do you ever properly grade him if you are grading every MLB the same? How do you grade Bushrod, who's system requires him to push the DE behind the QB the same as a OT who's expected to stonewall his DE? How do you grade a guy like Aaron Donald and Eddie Goldman the same, one is expected to shoot the gap past the OC/OG and penetrate, the other is expected to take on both blocks pushing the OL back allowing the LB's behind him to make plays? You cannot if your grading them ALL THE SAME; but you know all this, you just refuse to admit it b/c it removes validity of PFF>
It's almost like you work for them w/how you blindly defend them.
Your assumptions are supported? By what? Have you cust/posted anything yet? Yet you already started forming opinion of what happened, and I already showed, VIA STATS, that it wasn't accurate. You have your assumptions now you'll cut/paste to try and support your assumptions; it's already a flawed scientific method.
I don't have to take scheme into account(although I do), i'm not paid, nor am I my stating some kind of expertise on the subject. People, such as yourself, profess PFF as some kind of godsend of football enlightenment. But if they don't bother to know what they are doing, ie scheme matters in the NFL you and I both know it, then they are not experts. Actually worse then that they are blissfully ignorant.
It makes their opinions at best as good as mine, and shit at least I know the difference between what a 3-4 DE does and what a 4-3 DE does, what is expected of a MLB in the different systems. At least I know that an OT doesn't have the same job in every scheme. Apparently PFF doesn't. And shit that doesn't even take into consideration that some, take Ulracher, weren't asked to rush the passer much, how do you ever properly grade him if you are grading every MLB the same? How do you grade Bushrod, who's system requires him to push the DE behind the QB the same as a OT who's expected to stonewall his DE? How do you grade a guy like Aaron Donald and Eddie Goldman the same, one is expected to shoot the gap past the OC/OG and penetrate, the other is expected to take on both blocks pushing the OL back allowing the LB's behind him to make plays? You cannot if your grading them ALL THE SAME; but you know all this, you just refuse to admit it b/c it removes validity of PFF>
It's almost like you work for them w/how you blindly defend them.
This PFF thing is something that you two are never going to agree on. It's like how some of us like certain sports writers and can't stand others - yet another guy might feel differently about those same writers. LOL, you two ought to just agree to disagree on PFF stuff. It's not that big of a deal. It really isn't.
