I do get so tired of hearing the opposite. How many years, decades even, did we watch the Bears flail around with garbage retread QBs trying to make it work?
Anyone want to bring Garappolo here? Or Ryan Tannehill? Or Derek Carr? Or Wentz?
Cuz that's essentially the best you can hope for if you don't draft and develop your own. If you try and fail (eg, Trubisky), then you reload and try again and you keep trying until you finally hit.
I don't give a crap if your team "isn't ready", whatever the hell that means. I'd way rather have a "bad team" with a promising young QB than a "good team" with a mediocre, low-ceiling one.
It's way easier to fix the former than the latter.
I have been very impressed by Stroud. He is getting it done on a mediocre team. The more natural talent a QB has, the less support he needs to be successful (and vice versa). Zach Wilson is an example of the opposite.
Yep, who would you rather be right now--a Texans fan or a Raiders fan?
Raiders have the better overall roster but a low-ceiling, expensive vet QB. Texans have a crap roster but a promising, young QB on a cheap contract.
Who's future looks brighter? I'd be betting on Houston.
Hard to understand what they were thinking, if it cost you the most reliable piece plus current and future picks, making it harder to replace said piece, it was never going to go well.
This is why its very important if you get a #1 overall pick and don't have a QB. You get a QB or you become the panthers.
If Fields fail and we have #1 and #2 overall pick. You go with the best QB and best WR in the draft.
sure lets blow off the trenches again, i prefer DL and Pennix or Nix
I agree that Fields can be better than the Cam Newton v2.0. But unless something fundamental changes here, it will not happen. At least not here.
I am getting a bit on the scared poopless side as we (all of a sudden) seem to be getting better. What happens if we rip off a 4 or 5 game win streak. I do not seriously think we will do this. But I can see scenarios playing out that allow Flus et al to stick around.
Unless there are coaching changes, IMO this will all be temporary. I think we have to keep asking ourselves questions like, how did Claypool end up playing with no knowledge of the playbook? I find that inconceivable. And frankly, disgusting. I am not trying to remove any blame form Claypool. But if he refused to do the studying and/or just wouldn't put in the work, either the coaches didn't know what was going on with him. Or they were, at best, passive enablers (meaning they sat back and let it happen).
I think about the same things. And I have no clue as to how this will play out in the end... or really how it should play out. But one possible (long shot) scenario COULD be that the team settles down and gets better and better as this season progresses - due to the coaches and all these new players on the roster, getting better. Better player performances and better coaching performances.
Fans don't want to accept that as even a remote possibility.
But what if it does happen? I get it that fans want to "punish" the coaches for a horrific string of losses. I do get that. We are angry and want everyone fired.
But I do figure that if we see marked improvement then that means the green-as-a-gourd players and coaches actually DID get better with time, learning their craft. Obviously, the roster needs a LOT more talent, and the coaching staff needs a DC. I get it, that people have written off Getsy as an idiot. And most have done the same with Eberflus. But what if they truly did learn from their mistakes? Not saying they have. Just saying that is one outcome when you hire first-time rookie coaches. They suck at first. They learn from mistakes. They can sometimes improve and be better. Look at the great coaches in history who sucked in the beginning (Bill Belichick was so bad that even the lowly Cleveland Browns fired him on his first attempt to be a head coach).
I do try to keep an open mind on things. I do believe that some people get better with experience - after making a number of mistakes but learning from those mistakes. Frankly, I can personally relate to that in my own life. But I did learn and get better... but those first years of my career (as a leader/manager) were pretty bad. I had to learn and get better. That did take some time.
Yeah, I'm not saying any of these coaches should stay. But if they would show significant progress and improvement I think you have to weigh that. And maybe you still move on from them. But don't think bringing in a new crew of young coaches will be different. They too will have a learning curve. Just like new/young players do. I shake my head when fans give up on rookies during their first season... rookies are gonna rookie. It's painful. But that's the gig with young/new players. If you can't deal with that then I don't know what to tell 'em.
Why does this argument always devolve into: "you can't draft a QB without getting other pieces"?
Does this really need to be said? No kidding....you mean a QB can't win all by himself? I never realized that!!
Of course you need coaching, OL, running/receiving weapons, defense, etc., etc. No one is saying you draft a QB and exclude everything else. I don't understand where this notion comes from.
It's just that QB is so far and above the highest priority and so much harder to get right and so much more "expensive" to acquire that you are stupid to pass up an opportunity to get one you like when you need one.
Panthers, Texans, Colts drafted a QB without all the other pieces in place The Seahawks drafted a CB at #5 instead of a QB. There was a lot of debate about that on the Seahawks forum. I think it part depends on whether the team has a “serviceable “ QB (like Geno) to hold down the job while the team is collecting the pieces to support his eventual replacement.
If Fields looks at season end more like a “serviceable “ QB than a solid “franchise QB1” like Jalen Hurts, the Bears might go the Seahawks route even if we have the #1 pick available to draft Caleb Williams. Poles will trade away the pick, and we’ll probably have a QB draft debate here like the Seahawks fans had.
If Anthony Richardson had been available at the #5 overall pick, Seattle would have drafted him. Also, had Stroud or Young fallen for whatever reason, Seattle would have been all over them.
They took a CB because all the first round rated QBs they had on their draft board were gone. They need to replace Geno, and who is to say how well they will do this year. Might be awhile before they have a top 5 pick.
This is why its very important if you get a #1 overall pick and don't have a QB. You get a QB or you become the panthers.
If Fields fail and we have #1 and #2 overall pick. You go with the best QB and best WR in the draft.
sure lets blow off the trenches again, i prefer DL and Pennix or Nix
Not saying you ignore the line but you have to draft a QB with one of the two picks. Then you got to consider who will have a bigger impact. Marvin Harrison Jr I see as the next top 3 WR in the NFL. A true blue chip offensive player that teams will have to plan around and possibly triple coverage. FA and 2nd round pick is for Oline.
With DJ Moore as the #1 next year. It allows Harrison to learn from him and not be the main guy in charge out there. Helping his development out more.
sure lets blow off the trenches again, i prefer DL and Pennix or Nix
Not saying you ignore the line but you have to draft a QB with one of the two picks. Then you got to consider who will have a bigger impact. Marvin Harrison Jr I see as the next top 3 WR in the NFL. A true blue chip offensive player that teams will have to plan around and possibly triple coverage. FA and 2nd round pick is for Oline.
We are getting way way way way way ahead of ourselves here but....
If we do indeed end up with two top-5 picks, one has to be a QB and the other should probably be either MHJr or a stud LT. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
Not saying you ignore the line but you have to draft a QB with one of the two picks. Then you got to consider who will have a bigger impact. Marvin Harrison Jr I see as the next top 3 WR in the NFL. A true blue chip offensive player that teams will have to plan around and possibly triple coverage. FA and 2nd round pick is for Oline.
We are getting way way way way way ahead of ourselves here but....
If we do indeed end up with two top-5 picks, one has to be a QB and the other should probably be either MHJr or a stud LT. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
I just don't see a LT of Marvin Harrison talent in this draft. Even if we have the #2 overall pick and some team is willing to give us 3 first round picks to jump up from late top 10 to #2 overall I still say go with Harrison.
Picks are great and all but Harrison seems like a guy who will be elite true blue chip player we haven't seen on a Bears offense since Brandon Marshall days. Allowing him to learn behind DJ Moore will help develop his NFL experience even more. Then throw in a rookie QB who has two great WR options to throw too.
We are getting way way way way way ahead of ourselves here but....
If we do indeed end up with two top-5 picks, one has to be a QB and the other should probably be either MHJr or a stud LT. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
I just don't see a LT of Marvin Harrison talent in this draft. Even if we have the #2 overall pick and some team is willing to give us 3 first round picks to jump up from late top 10 to #2 overall I still say go with Harrison.
Picks are great and all but Harrison seems like a guy who will be elite true blue chip player we haven't seen on a Bears offense since Brandon Marshall days. Allowing him to learn behind DJ Moore will help develop his NFL experience even more. Then throw in a rookie QB who has two great WR options to throw too.
Like I said, this is all way way preliminary. We won't have a firm idea on who the top-10 caliber prospects are until April.