Hard to understand what they were thinking, if it cost you the most reliable piece plus current and future picks, making it harder to replace said piece, it was never going to go well.
This is why its very important if you get a #1 overall pick and don't have a QB. You get a QB or you become the panthers.
If Fields fail and we have #1 and #2 overall pick. You go with the best QB and best WR in the draft.
Hard to understand what they were thinking, if it cost you the most reliable piece plus current and future picks, making it harder to replace said piece, it was never going to go well.
This is why its very important if you get a #1 overall pick and don't have a QB. You get a QB or you become the panthers.
If Fields fail and we have #1 and #2 overall pick. You go with the best QB and best WR in the draft.
wrong. Most successful QB's of the 2000's, how many were the first overall pick? not Brady, not Rogers, not Big Ben, not Mahomes, not Wilson. It's not where you get your qb, it's when. Is the team in a stable condition that will allow for the support and growth of said qb. First, middle last doesn't matter if the team isn't capable of supporting them.
They were thinking the same thing everyone else is thinking when in that position:
YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT A QB
If we get the #1 pick again this year and Fields looks like he's the guy going forward, there will be teams blowing up Poles' phone in complete desperation to do the same.
Even if Fields starts to show significant progress, I am wondering how well he will fit in at the NFL level. If he becomes the 2.0 version of Cam Newton, I believe he will have just about the same level of success. Meaning appearing in the playoffs about half the time and never getting very deep the playoffs. Newton made it past the first playoff game once and lost in the SB when that happened.
I don't think the issue is with Fields himself. I like him as a person, and I can see that he is a really good guy to have on the roster. He has a lot of talent. Smart and works really hard. The issue is he is not a conventional pocket passing QB. IMO the issue is finding the right coaching staff. Who do you think would be the best HC and offensive mind to work with him? The only three that come to mind for me are Reid, McVay or Belichick. I don't think that there are that may guys who can go that far out of the box in designing and running an offense for Fields' talent.
Shanny and Mike McDaniels could too. I like what Ben Johnson is doing in Detroit and Slowick is doing in San Fran.
They were thinking the same thing everyone else is thinking when in that position:
YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT A QB
If we get the #1 pick again this year and Fields looks like he's the guy going forward, there will be teams blowing up Poles' phone in complete desperation to do the same.
Classic mistep by EVERY TEAM. Step one, get a qb, step 2 .... step 3, win a sb. Not how it works and every team that tries it fails.
You draft a QB when you need a QB and have the opportunity to do so (meaning there's a guy you like in range).
Every Single Time
Teams that don't draft and develop QBs (like, for instance, the Bears for several decades) are stuck with vet re-treads and crap journeyman. They lose. A lot. Season after season.
It may not work out with Young in Carolina just like it didn't work out with Mitch in Chicago. But you gotta try and keep trying until you succeed.
Teams that don't draft and develop QBs (like, for instance, the Bears for several decades) are stuck with vet re-treads and crap journeyman. They lose. A lot. Season after season.
Drafting a QB and also having the infrastructure in place to allow the guy to succeed - those two things are not mutually exclusive. At least they shouldn't be.
But the Bears seem to struggle with this. For several decades.
I have zero problem with the Bears drafting another QB if they also provide the upgrades on offense - and they CAN do that in 2024. Unless they piss away resources on defense.
My point is that this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo doable. It's not like you can't add a few key players on offense AND ALSO draft a QB. The team will have 10 or more draft picks (drafting high in every single round of this upcoming draft). They have 2 high first round draft picks. They will have ample cap money to spend. How on earth can they fail to add a few high-quality pieces on offense in 2024? They would have to be total idiots to squander this opportunity. I loved the Wright pick. But don't stop there. They should get the best WR and C in this years' draft that they possibly can get. They still need a TE to go with Kmet. If Braxton Jones isn't "The Guy" then you need a LT (better open up the pocket book and buy one if you can). Then sure, spend one of those 1st round picks on a QB if Fields isn't the guy. But - if Fields does look like he is a solid franchise QB, then hey, we should be able to get solid help for the D this year too. I'm not saying you can fix the D, but you should be able to improve the D. Then follow up on that in 2025.
Hard to understand what they were thinking, if it cost you the most reliable piece plus current and future picks, making it harder to replace said piece, it was never going to go well.
They were thinking the same thing everyone else is thinking when in that position:
YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT A QB
If we get the #1 pick again this year and Fields looks like he's the guy going forward, there will be teams blowing up Poles' phone in complete desperation to do the same.
Panthers can’t come out on this deal unless Young develops into a super star QB. So far, Stroud is looking like best of class.
Post by malagabears on Oct 10, 2023 23:37:02 GMT -6
OT but somewhat related. I certainly don't see the Bears landing the 1-2 picks. I see 1 top 5 & 1 top 10 pick. But the point I wanted to make if (Huge if ATM) Poles decides to move away from Fields you could probably squeeze a 2nd & 5th from a desperate GM.
Classic mistep by EVERY TEAM. Step one, get a qb, step 2 .... step 3, win a sb. Not how it works and every team that tries it fails.
You draft a QB when you need a QB and have the opportunity to do so (meaning there's a guy you like in range).
Every Single Time
Teams that don't draft and develop QBs (like, for instance, the Bears for several decades) are stuck with vet re-treads and crap journeyman. They lose. A lot. Season after season.
It may not work out with Young in Carolina just like it didn't work out with Mitch in Chicago. But you gotta try and keep trying until you succeed.
Even if Fields starts to show significant progress, I am wondering how well he will fit in at the NFL level. If he becomes the 2.0 version of Cam Newton, I believe he will have just about the same level of success. Meaning appearing in the playoffs about half the time and never getting very deep the playoffs. Newton made it past the first playoff game once and lost in the SB when that happened.
I don't think the issue is with Fields himself. I like him as a person, and I can see that he is a really good guy to have on the roster. He has a lot of talent. Smart and works really hard. The issue is he is not a conventional pocket passing QB. IMO the issue is finding the right coaching staff. Who do you think would be the best HC and offensive mind to work with him? The only three that come to mind for me are Reid, McVay or Belichick. I don't think that there are that may guys who can go that far out of the box in designing and running an offense for Fields' talent.
Shanny and Mike McDaniels could too. I like what Ben Johnson is doing in Detroit and Slowick is doing in San Fran.
But my point stands. Who do we have or who can we actually get? All the people we both named will likely never take a job here.
To repeat what I was saying about Fields, I don't think he is a bad QB. I feel he could be a really good QB. But as in Bears teams before, all we can do is destroy his career.
Even if Fields starts to show significant progress, I am wondering how well he will fit in at the NFL level. If he becomes the 2.0 version of Cam Newton, I believe he will have just about the same level of success. Meaning appearing in the playoffs about half the time and never getting very deep the playoffs. Newton made it past the first playoff game once and lost in the SB when that happened.
I don't think the issue is with Fields himself. I like him as a person, and I can see that he is a really good guy to have on the roster. He has a lot of talent. Smart and works really hard. The issue is he is not a conventional pocket passing QB. IMO the issue is finding the right coaching staff. Who do you think would be the best HC and offensive mind to work with him? The only three that come to mind for me are Reid, McVay or Belichick. I don't think that there are that may guys who can go that far out of the box in designing and running an offense for Fields' talent.
I'll jump in on this one, LOL, uninvited of course. Personally, I believe the only way you keep Fields is if he does in fact stack these games where he shows marked improvement as a passer. If (and it is admittedly a big if) if he can show steady improvement I think he can be a guy who is better than a Cam Newton. But I would hope they allow Fields to incrementally improve as a pocket passer. Let him be Fields for now, and "work on it" as far as pocket passing. He has the arm and deep ball accuracy, but obviously he has a lot to improve as far as being savvy in the pocket... he's not even close to good there now. I wish he had a coach and O around him to have begun this work in year-1, his rookie season. But I get it that you can't change the past. But now I'm hoping Getsy gets his head out of his butt and lets Fields be Fields - just improving incrementally now for 12 games.
I agree that Fields can be better than the Cam Newton v2.0. But unless something fundamental changes here, it will not happen. At least not here.
I am getting a bit on the scared poopless side as we (all of a sudden) seem to be getting better. What happens if we rip off a 4 or 5 game win streak. I do not seriously think we will do this. But I can see scenarios playing out that allow Flus et al to stick around.
Unless there are coaching changes, IMO this will all be temporary. I think we have to keep asking ourselves questions like, how did Claypool end up playing with no knowledge of the playbook? I find that inconceivable. And frankly, disgusting. I am not trying to remove any blame form Claypool. But if he refused to do the studying and/or just wouldn't put in the work, either the coaches didn't know what was going on with him. Or they were, at best, passive enablers (meaning they sat back and let it happen).
